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I have No problem with Dr. Paul getting his SS, but he should live on it alone dropping his pay and perks as a congressmen.
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Originally Posted by residinghere2007
like teachers, who get pensions get a diminished amount, or no SS at all even if they have paid into the system, as my MIL was a teacher's assistance for over 30 years for her local school district
I also believe in term limits for Congressmen.
And, anyone working for the public sector should contribute a percentage to their own pensions.
For fairness sake, we pretty much can all agree the whole system needs corrective overhaul.
Ron Paul makes some sense on the foreign policy, but on the economy he is scary. He openly admits to wanting to cut a trillion from the economy in one year which would plunge this economy into something far worse than where it currently is. His brand of Paul Ryan style genocidal austerity measures is the last thing this country needs.
They still take SS out of his pay! More than he gets!! Now isn't that some crap!
He paid in, why wouldn't he take it. I agree with you for one of the few times. How many out there would simply say; you know what, I put thousands of $$s into this plan, I think it is wrong and not even constitutional so I am letting the government keep it? Get real some of you..and don't depend on HPost for any fair annalsys of anything that isn't totally left.
He paid in, why wouldn't he take it. I agree with you for one of the few times. How many out there would simply say; you know what, I put thousands of $$s into this plan, I think it is wrong and not even constitutional so I am letting the government keep it? Get real some of you..and don't depend on HPost for any fair annalsys of anything that isn't totally left.
Nita
Nita,
I've read a lot of your posts and you seem very unbiased given your political leanings. Here's the problem that I have with Paul. He is way too over the top with his ideas and he boxes himself in corners that he cannot get out of. The SS thing for one. Here's a man who has paid into the system and is getting a check. Yes, he has paid more than what he is getting out. The system is flawed obviously. But how can you consciously take his position when he is also benefitting from it for lack of a better word. He is also benefitting from his position as a Congressman. He gets and receives all the perks and priviledges. He is a part of the problem. How can you tell me we need to make cuts when you are one of the main culprits? How much does Capitol Police protection cost tax payers per year? But he called for an end to Presidential SS protection. Free medical? Per diem? Free food? Free travel? Car service? Free drycleaning? Free parking? Billions!!!!!!! That's my hard earned money and your hard earned money paying for these perks.
I've read a lot of your posts and you seem very unbiased given your political leanings. Here's the problem that I have with Paul. He is way too over the top with his ideas and he boxes himself in corners that he cannot get out of. The SS thing for one. Here's a man who has paid into the system and is getting a check. Yes, he has paid more than what he is getting out. The system is flawed obviously. But how can you consciously take his position when he is also benefitting from it for lack of a better word. He is also benefitting from his position as a Congressman. He gets and receives all the perks and priviledges. He is a part of the problem. How can you tell me we need to make cuts when you are one of the main culprits? How much does Capitol Police protection cost tax payers per year? But he called for an end to Presidential SS protection. Free medical? Per diem? Free food? Free travel? Car service? Free drycleaning? Free parking? Billions!!!!!!! That's my hard earned money and your hard earned money paying for these perks.
He is not benefitting from SS. If he is putting more into it than he has received from it, then the program is costing him.
His entitlements as a congressman are no different than any of the other 434 members of the house. Is he not entitled to enjoy the same perks/priviledges as his colleagues? (PS: I think they ALL enjoy too many perks and priviledges.) But until the system changes I don't see why people are specifically targetting RP for criticism.
I have No problem with Dr. Paul getting his SS, but he should live on it alone dropping his pay and perks as a congressmen.
Are you daft? Due to his age he is required to take distributions from SS (and be taxed upon those). Now you suggest he should also work for free? Are you willing to suggest that every single Congressman/woman who has any form of outside income whatsoever should also be working for free?
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Originally Posted by DC's Finest
Yeah, but he is still a hypocrite living off of the backs of tax payers. He gets all of the perks and privileges afforded being a Congressman. Free food, free car service, free police escorts, free parking, security detail, free dry cleaning, free or reduced travel, free barber, etc... Most of the politicians are all smoke and mirrors. Paul brings attention to himself calling for the end of programs but he is still a huge part of the problem. Everything, I named, he has and still receives as a Congressman. If he really wants to cut spending, he should look in the mirror.
Stop blathering and hyperventilating as though your assumptions are in any way a portrayal of reality. Ron Paul has rejected the federal retirement pension he could collect after he leaves Congress, in other words, his last day in Congress is his last day of Congressional pay and benefits; and, he does not participate in the federal healthcare program but provides for his own health insurance.
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but on the economy he is scary. He openly admits to wanting to cut a trillion from the economy in one year which would plunge this economy into something far worse than where it currently is. His brand of Paul Ryan style genocidal austerity measures is the last thing this country needs.
You know it's really scary, NOT to want to correct the overspending done in this country and
downsize the size of what our government has become.
Dr Paul has not wanted to end Medicare/Social Security now, but more so;
a lot of our military spending e.g.
wars/occupation in Afghanistan/Iraq,
shut down bases abroad.
Paul's for a strong, common sense military spending budget.
Not a stupid one, not a military industrial complex building one.
Definitely not a corporate for profit one.
No one can argue, if we continue as we are now, there won't
be a discussion about what to cut domestically.
The programs (Medicare/SS) will simply be broke.
Something that could/should have been prevented.
I'm utterly in horror as a Libertarian, that folks think it's okay to lie
to the most vulnerable among us.
There is nothing more cruel than that, IMO.
I've heard Paul on many an occasion, state that if we cut useless departments
and military spending elsewhere,
we could/would be able to afford to continue/correct SS and Medicare
and honor the contract the government made with these citizens.
It's not debatable anymore; the size of our Government and useless/redundant departments need to go:
Homeland Security 56B a year and counting. Dept of Education: 70B a year,
overseas bases 250B a year - roughly 1/3 of entire military yearly budget,
and the list goes on...
Folks have to start deciding; do you want your tax dollars and the priority of that spent on your own
citizens or for someone, somewhere else....
That really should be the the discussion if you are a tax paying citizen.
Ron Paul has never said an immediate end to Medicare or SS.
Even he understands the implication of that.
So as scared as you seem to be about RP domestic financial correction ideas,
you should be just as TERRIFIED by the fiscal plans of BOTH Obama and Romney
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I am not a paul fan but I think if he paid he gets it.
Ron Paul has every right to collect SS. Him collecting it doesn't make him a hypocrite, him attacking it makes him a hypocrite. I think Paul is right on on many issues, but on other issues he's cuckoo, this is one of them.
Him collecting it doesn't make him a hypocrite, him attacking it makes him a hypocrite. I think Paul is right on on many issues, but on other issues he's cuckoo, this is one of them.
I see nothing cuckoo about this:
"I’m saying, save — I want to cut a trillion dollars out of the budget, but a lot comes from overseas funding and war and I say this is the only way we can preserve some of these programs and work our way out of it. I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn’t to cut. I think this is where the Republicans make a mistake. They’re seen as cutting food stamps and increasing the military budget.
I think that’s bad politics and so, in my more pragmatic stance on how we get to the place where i want to go, actually, I’m offering a program where some of the programs we have taught people to be so dependent on, I would probably preserve them longer than others because we’re going to lose them because of the bankruptcy that is coming." - Ron Paul
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Are you daft? Due to his age he is required to take distributions from SS (and be taxed upon those). Now you suggest he should also work for free? Are you willing to suggest that every single Congressman/woman who has any form of outside income whatsoever should also be working for free? 
