What is Obama's plan for Medicare/Social Security... (voters, illegal, Democrats)
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Ryan came up with a plan, that was a "PLAN". It can be tweaked and modified. But I dont remember what Obama or Bidens plan on this was. Please one of you liberals fill me in if you know.
Social security and medicare are in trouble. PERIOD. They are NOT sustainable. So tell me, again, what the hell is your plan for these two vital programs that are going to be bankrupt.
Obama has already gutted Medicare once by taking $800 billion from it and moving it to Medicaid. The Democrats like to throw the Medicare scare tactics around....they already altered Medicare to the point that it alraedy doesn't cover nearly what it used to. Most seniors are just now realizing this and haven't felt the full effects Obamacare will have on their Medicare benefits. Older folks will not have the level of care they have in the past. Those on Medicaid (the government run healthcare plan for those how don't qualify for Medicare and don't any work related or private insurance) will be reaping the benefits of what Obama took away from Medicare.
Ryan came up with a plan, that was a "PLAN". It can be tweaked and modified. But I dont remember what Obama or Bidens plan on this was. Please one of you liberals fill me in if you know.
Social security and medicare are in trouble. PERIOD. They are NOT sustainable. So tell me, again, what the hell is your plan for these two vital programs that are going to be bankrupt.
I have to agree with you, a little. I think that it's disingenuous to exempt the current retirees and the 10 years from now retirees. If we're going to change the rules for EVERYONE, and stop favoring this group at the expense of the other age groups.
Secondly, I don't see Ryan decreasing the defense budget. Why must we always be the policeman of the world? Let those freeloader countries take care of themselves and provide their own defense. Maybe that's why those countries can actually take care of their own citizens because they don't have to worry about a defense budget.
Two income tax brackets, 10% & 25%. Too low. Please get rid of all of those ridiculous child tax credits, credits for non-working spouse, earned income tax credit, benefits for children of illegals and illegals, mortgage tax credits and all of the other favored ppl in this country. there are too many ppl in the wagon and not enough that are pulling it.
I favor not taxing interest, but still feel that the piddly capital gains tax is fair.
Obama has already gutted Medicare once by taking $800 billion from it and moving it to Medicaid. The Democrats like to throw the Medicare scare tactics around....they already altered Medicare to the point that it alraedy doesn't cover nearly what it used to. Most seniors are just now realizing this and haven't felt the full effects Obamacare will have on their Medicare benefits. Older folks will not have the level of care they have in the past. Those on Medicaid (the government run healthcare plan for those how don't qualify for Medicare and don't any work related or private insurance) will be reaping the benefits of what Obama took away from Medicare.
Excuse me, but could you please explain what Medicare doesn't cover now "what it used to?" I would beg to differ. I sell Medicare Advantage plans and can tell you emphatically that Medicare benefits have not decreased, in fact the opposite. They have added many preventative screenings, annual wellness exam, closed the Part D drug gap. I have seen none of the decrease in benefits that you speak of, not even in the overcompensated Advantage plans. Medicaid ppl reaping the benefits of what's taken away from Medicare? Medicaid reimbursements are lower than Medicare's, you know that right? It's less likely that docs will take Medicaid than Medicare.
You know, I have been in one of the better Medicare Advantage plans going on 2 years. And I agree. It is the best insurance I have ever had. Many people do not realize just how good Medicare is.
I have to agree with you, a little. I think that it's disingenuous to exempt the current retirees and the 10 years from now retirees. If we're going to change the rules for EVERYONE, and stop favoring this group at the expense of the other age groups.
Secondly, I don't see Ryan decreasing the defense budget. Why must we always be the policeman of the world? Let those freeloader countries take care of themselves and provide their own defense. Maybe that's why those countries can actually take care of their own citizens because they don't have to worry about a defense budget.
Two income tax brackets, 10% & 25%. Too low. Please get rid of all of those ridiculous child tax credits, credits for non-working spouse, earned income tax credit, benefits for children of illegals and illegals, mortgage tax credits and all of the other favored ppl in this country. there are too many ppl in the wagon and not enough that are pulling it.
I favor not taxing interest, but still feel that the piddly capital gains tax is fair.
I dont often agree with Chris Matthew, in fact hardly ever, but if you go to the 5 minute mark or slightly before that. Listen to what they are talking about and what he says. "The voters do want something for nothing..."
He's kind of right here. People want stuff. And when that stuff ends up hurting us or needs to be overhauled to be sustainable, a lot of people get ancy and angry and worry they may lose something.
I think if Romney and Ryan can tweak a plan and deliver a plan to the American public, its risky, but I think if explained well enough perhaps it could work.
I think also a total overhaul of the tax code needs to be done. Its an absolute mess and there is no way in hell that our tax code should be this complicated. I agree some stupid credits need to be tossed. Loop holes need to be closed. Drop the rates, drop the rates significantly for companies too. But close the loop holes. And damn it, re-write the thing so its not so damn complicated. Have an outside source do it if you have to.
So, you may not like the Ryan plan before, but it can be tweaked and adjusted people. I believe most sane people, when the facts are shown to you, will agree that something has to be done about these two programs. I dont think Obama has offered anything, and I dont believe he ever mentioned anything about our tax code and rules either, except he just wants to raise the taxes back up on the rich.
If Romney/Ryan mean anything, I think it means finally taking some pressing issues head on and dealing with them. How much longer can we keep kicking the can down the road?
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Ryan came up with a plan, that was a "PLAN". It can be tweaked and modified. But I dont remember what Obama or Bidens plan on this was. Please one of you liberals fill me in if you know.
Social security and medicare are in trouble. PERIOD. They are NOT sustainable. So tell me, again, what the hell is your plan for these two vital programs that are going to be bankrupt.
Sorry. Not doing your work for you. Too bad if you can't Google it yourself. I've already researched Obama's and Romney's plans.
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