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I'm not arguing to reduce taxes, I think we need to leave them where they are. I want to take in the same amount...and eventually less, while drastically spending less money. Like I said, there is no excuse to take almost 1/3 of the income of many Americans and still run an unfathomably large deficit. Personally I find it insulting and offensive that my money is being wasted like this...regardless of if our president has "D" or "R" after their name.
Totally with you on the military spending...I just get annoyed with people that somehow think that there is a difference between Obama and Romney when it comes to military spending. I mean Obama got us into multiple conflicts that can't be blamed on Bush, AND he is going overboard with the drone programs.
Personally I would like to put our taxes back to where they were before the Bush tax cuts went into effect. I don't think they have had a good enough impact to keep them.
I actually find it funny with the far right try to call Obama a socialist, Obamacare was a Republican idea before Obama ran with it, and Obama is more of a center-right president than anything else.
Obama just believe in using technology to fight wars rather than people. Personally I would rather see us monitor what is going on in countries like Afghanistan rather than waste time, money, and lives being in those countries.
I see where you are going, but I strongly disagree that just because someone has an MD after their name, they are more important to our society than someone with a CEO or MBA after their name. It scares me that our society is making business people out to be evil, although a small minority do deserve that label.
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I disagree with this. I don't think that businesspeople have been demonized in America, I think they've been lionized. And I don't think it's because of the nature of their jobs, I think it's because as a society, we've focused too much on status and money. Even my parents, who are immigrants, have noticed a cultural shift since they have come to America. It's as if as money became more scarce and the middle class had less of it to actually spend, it became a requirement to become as ostentatious as possible and put yourself into more debt. You can see it when you drive around a newer neighborhood and the houses are gigantic, compared with older homes, and there are brand new cars in every driveway. You used to be able to buy a decent leather purse at the mall for $20 or something, now everything has to be a "brand" and a crappy leather purse is $200 and has ugly insignia all over it so everyone gets to know exactly how expensive your stupid handbag is. What I'm trying to say is that maybe it's ok for there to be a bit of a backlash against greed, and that we're probably not going to end up like communist Russia, we'll just return to a more balanced approach like before.
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I'm not arguing to reduce taxes, I think we need to leave them where they are. I want to take in the same amount...and eventually less, while drastically spending less money. Like I said, there is no excuse to take almost 1/3 of the income of many Americans and still run an unfathomably large deficit. Personally I find it insulting and offensive that my money is being wasted like this...regardless of if our president has "D" or "R" after their name.
Totally with you on the military spending...I just get annoyed with people that somehow think that there is a difference between Obama and Romney when it comes to military spending. I mean Obama got us into multiple conflicts that can't be blamed on Bush, AND he is going overboard with the drone programs.
Like what "conflicts" might those be, so we're aware of the alternatives?
And as far as the use of drones... are you saying we should not take out known Al Qaeda operatives, or maybe instead you'd prefer sending our troops on the ground into harms way, not to mention openly invading a sovereign country like Pakistan?
BTW, while so skittish about military action, how do you feel about Romney's sabre-rattling with Iran, and letting right-wing Israeli foreign policy call the shots?
Like what "conflicts" might those be, so we're aware of the alternatives?
And as far as the use of drones... are you saying we should not take out known Al Qaeda operatives, or maybe instead you'd prefer sending our troops on the ground into harms way, not to mention openly invading a sovereign country like Pakistan?
BTW, while so skittish about military action, how do you feel about Romney's sabre-rattling with Iran, and letting right-wing Israeli foreign policy call the shots?
Complaining is easy.... solutions not so much.
Yemen? Libya?
drones...how about killing american citizens without a trial...seems like a pretty senseless and wasteful use of funds to me. say what you want, the man was probably an enemy of the country, but that does not give our president the right to decide that he is taking away that man's rights as a US citizen.
I've said it a bunch before so you probably missed it, but one of the biggest reasons I won't vote for Romney is because I disagree with what I believe his military stance will be. He, just like Obama, Bush and many of our elected officials seem to be in favor of constant wars.
My "solution" is to stop military action where we don't belong. Unless we are actively defending the safety and security of our country, we need to quickly get uninvolved. Even if you disagree with the political nature of that statement, we certainly can't afford the financial obligation behind this activity.
My "solution" is to stop military action where we don't belong. Unless we are actively defending the safety and security of our country, we need to quickly get uninvolved.
I agree, and would love a constitutional amendment mandating a war tax surcharge , paid by EVERY taxpayer from the first dollar of unadjusted gross income, automatically taking effect with any funding of any war effort, whether official or unofficial.
drones...how about killing american citizens without a trial...seems like a pretty senseless and wasteful use of funds to me. say what you want, the man was probably an enemy of the country, but that does not give our president the right to decide that he is taking away that man's rights as a US citizen.
I've said it a bunch before so you probably missed it, but one of the biggest reasons I won't vote for Romney is because I disagree with what I believe his military stance will be. He, just like Obama, Bush and many of our elected officials seem to be in favor of constant wars.
My "solution" is to stop military action where we don't belong. Unless we are actively defending the safety and security of our country, we need to quickly get uninvolved. Even if you disagree with the political nature of that statement, we certainly can't afford the financial obligation behind this activity.
I agree with all of this, but I think it's unfair to place President Obama in the same category as President Bush. If the Iraq war had taken the same trajectory as the conflict in Libya... I can't even imagine that scenario because it's just too drastically different. For me, it comes to the lesser of two evils, and to me, the lives of soldiers are far far more important than the money involved. We're already on a ruinous financial trajectory (and it's clear no one is going to be able to fix that), we might as well have fewer dead and maimed American soldiers while we're here.
I agree with all of this, but I think it's unfair to place President Obama in the same category as President Bush. If the Iraq war had taken the same trajectory as the conflict in Libya... I can't even imagine that scenario because it's just too drastically different. For me, it comes to the lesser of two evils, and to me, the lives of soldiers are far far more important than the money involved. We're already on a ruinous financial trajectory (and it's clear no one is going to be able to fix that), we might as well have fewer dead and maimed American soldiers while we're here.
I agree, the lives and the impact on their families are 1000x more an issue than money, however to me an unjustified war is an unjustified war...its like only being a little pregnant. The lives and the money are too valuable to be throwing away haphazardly, and even doing it on a small scale sets a dangerous precedent that becomes an excuse for future presidents to point to as a justification for it all.
I agree with all of this, but I think it's unfair to place President Obama in the same category as President Bush. If the Iraq war had taken the same trajectory as the conflict in Libya... I can't even imagine that scenario because it's just too drastically different. For me, it comes to the lesser of two evils, and to me, the lives of soldiers are far far more important than the money involved. We're already on a ruinous financial trajectory (and it's clear no one is going to be able to fix that), we might as well have fewer dead and maimed American soldiers while we're here.
Bear in mind, the present lack of PAYGO has seen presidents popularity rise by starting slam dunk conflicts, as quite frankly , post Vietnam, our wars have been the equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Nationals, with us as the former. Add those two together-its free for Americans to be pro war, and they lack fear of consequences, and you create a nation who gleefully supports conflict.
The middle class is the people that is the group of people that I am most concerned about, they need our - and the poor - they need our help. They need our help with good jobs. That is only going to come if we encourage this economy by keeping the burdens on small business down."
If your priority in this country is to punish success, vote for President Obama. If you priority is to create more success and more jobs vote for Romney.
The left bubble will burst when they figure out that the wealthy will do just fine no matter who is elected.
Obama wants more wars than Gary Johnson, but probably less than Romney, because Obama wants forced healthcare to help out the medical industry when 1/6th of all money goes to them as it is. So this plan seems strange if he's hiring 16,000 more at IRS to make sure the rich pay 35% or whatever amount.
Romney wants lots more wars & was praising Big Oil at a debate, while promising smaller govt. So if you own lots of oil stocks or lots of defense contractors stock, then he is the best choice. Of course this making many billions for corporations might involve a million dead & a taxpayer debt of a couple trillion.
Both Romney & Obama have no trouble going against the Constitution. Same for most in Congress. If we were really using the Constitution, hundreds of thousands of harmless in prison would be released as there would be no "war" on some drugs (people). NDAA 100 years in prison, without being charged. The Patriot Act, unlimited warrantless spying on Americans. Forced health care. All opposed by Gary Johnson.
Gary Johnson would try to end the phony war on drugs, savings $40+B a year. Plus ending the drug war it would be possible to put a 100% tax in cannabis ("marijuana"), which would make it 90% cheaper than now, while raising double digit billions. He would abolish dept of Educ & IRS. Every other dept & program cut by 43%, no favoritism. 43% because we borrow 43 cents of each dollar. So no more borrowing.
Gary Johnson would replace corporate & personal income tax with a nat'l sales tax of 23%. Likely exemptions would be business to business, used items, most food, $200/mo exemption for poor. The only other Federal tax mentioned would be the 100% cannabis tax. Balanced budget 1st year.
Gary Johnson would be intolerant of waste in govt. As 8 year guv of NM, he vetoed as many bills as the other 49 guvs combined, reduced taxes many times. Inherited a deficit from incumbent Dem, who he beat as a Republican in a state that is 2/3 Democrats. Then he won a second term, left state treasury with a billion dollar surplus.
He proved he could create jobs. Construction company went from 1 to 1,000+ employees in 23 years.
Gary Johnson can win if everybody votes on issues. ISideWith.com or garyjohnson2012 dot com/ Gary genuinely cares about the 100% equally & is not for sale. Obama & Romney paid billions by corporations & other special interests. Your tax dollars will pay them back much more. Obviously, Obama & Romney favor the 1% who bought them. It's your choice.
Ok, so you don't believe in revenue, you don't want to find examples of other countries because we are "different," let's talk about something we agree about- the military industrial complex.
Can you confidently vote for Republicans when you know they have no intention of tackling this issue? Military spending is a monstrosity, and we know that Paul Ryan's budget had no proposals to reduce it. The Republicans are also just beating the drums to go into Syria and Iran. We also know that whatever we do get involved with will have a monstrous cost and will not be paid for, a la Iraq and Afghanistan. This is in addition to spilling the precious blood of our country's soldiers for people who wouldn't turn them over if they were drowning in a puddle. Mind you, I do not think that the Democrats and President Obama are some sort of angels, but I prefer the devil I know to the devil I used to know and who destroyed everything and is now coming back to me in more dysfunctional packaging, if you know what I mean.
How do you reconcile voting for Romney when you consider the above?
I will vote for Gary Johnson as I like his issues positions & he is honest, kind, smart, doesn't flip-flop, and he says of wars "Peace is cheaper. Elect Peace". Calls diplomacy a win-win. Wars only as a last resort.
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