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Old 08-13-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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There has been some commentary about Paul Ryan's flirtation with the godless philosophy of Ayn Rand. I'm glad to learn that he appears to have grown out of this:

"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas."
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Aquinas entertains the objection that, because of her imperfection, woman should not have been part of the original creation.

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Objection 1: It would seem that the woman should not have been made in the first production of things. For the Philosopher says (De Gener. ii, 3), that "the female is a misbegotten male." But nothing misbegotten or defective should have been in the first production of things. Therefore woman should not have been made at that first production.
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ST Ia q.92, a.1, Reply to Objection 1: As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence; such as that of a south wind, which is moist, as the Philosopher observes (De Gener. Animal. iv, 2). On the other hand, as regards human nature in general, woman is not misbegotten, but is included in nature's intention as directed to the work of generation.
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ST q.92, a.1, Reply to Objection 2: Subjection is twofold. One is servile, by virtue of which a superior makes use of a subject for his own benefit; and this kind of subjection began after sin. There is another kind of subjection which is called economic or civil, whereby the superior makes use of his subjects for their own benefit and good; and this kind of subjection existed even before sin. For good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were not governed by others wiser than themselves. So by such a kind of subjection woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason predominates.
Aquinas concerning Women
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Some more gems from Aquinas:

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“Since the Jews are the slaves of the Church, she can dispose of their possessions”
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“If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy”
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“That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell”
St. Thomas Aquinas quotes
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Perhaps this one is even closer to Ryans conservative values..

"If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy." –Thomas Aquinas

Though he'd probably wanna ignore this one...

"Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need."
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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Ryan moved away from Ayn Rand THIS YEAR--at least in his public statements--because it was politically expedient to do so. Basing your entire political philosophy on a radical ATHEIST came back to bite him in the backside. Ryan wasn't just a person who supported her policies--he was the flag bearer. He spoke before the Atlas society saying that she was the reason he went into politics. He made his staff read her books. He gave her books as Christmas presents. NOW, in 2012, when he knows he has a shot at VP, suddenly he rejects her and says that now he's most influenced by St. Thomas Aquinas? His policy initiatives haven't changed at all. I smell a liar and a rat.

In the meantime, the US Catholic bishops are blasting the Ryan plan as being fundamentally unchristian, and against the teachings of the church.

http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-063.cfm
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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Prior to Ryan’s recent speech to students at Georgetown University, ninety faculty members and priests signed a letter of protest, that outed the product of Rand and Ryan’s mind weld. A portion of that letter follows:

“However, we would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and the sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has wisely noted in several letters to Congress – ” a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons.” Catholic bishops recently wrote that “the House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria.”

In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her call to selfidhness and her antagonism toward religion are antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love.”

Religion, or lack of it, is not supposed to make a difference and is not supposed to serve as a litmus test for public office, but the climate of the country has changed. No religion? No public office! And it must be the ‘right’ kind of religion…

Of course Paul has to deny!
Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand: Breaking Up Is So Very Hard To Do! Even Harder On The Kid! |
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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In his (and her) own words:


Ayn Rand & GOP vs. Jesus - YouTube
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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In his (and her) own words:
Romney chose another snake oil salesman who now finds it inconvenient to be associated with the hateful and psychotic Ayn Rand. Too bad Ryan...she is yours forever.

Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn't

Journalists who have recently written about Ryan suggested that his infatuation with the Russian émigré author, who died in 1982 at age 77, has hardly waned. The favorite son of Wisconsin has recently been insisting that his embrace of Rand amounted to a youthful infatuation. In an April interview with the National Review, Ryan said that the reports linking him to Rand were essentially “an urban legend.”

Paul Ryan loved Ayn Rand, before he said he didn't - latimes.com


He has stated that Ayn Rand is required reading for everyone who works in his office.

• He told Insight on the News on May 24, 1999, that the books he most often rereads are "The Bible, Friedrich von Hayek's The Road to Serfdom and Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged."
• He told the Weekly Standard on March 17, 2003, "I give out Atlas Shrugged as Christmas presents, and I make all my interns read it. Well... I try to make my interns read it."
• At a February 28, 2009 speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, Ryan said Obama was trying "to use this [financial] crisis to move America toward the sort of Europeanized economy… Sounds like something right out of an Ayn Rand novel."
Of course, once Ryan began angling for the veep-slot he had to say that he “rejects her philosophy,” and even threw in, as he must given the sway of religious conservatives in his party, his condemnation of Rand's “atheist philosophy.” He went so far as to call the idea that he’s a Rand fanboy an “urban legend.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...-LIED-About-It
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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It's amazing how quickly the "christian" Romney supporters run when they see that video. Almost like they saw a cross.
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