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Old 08-13-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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And since when does the Catholic church have any authority in the Constitution?

I am not a Romney supporter but come on now!

They should be more worried about their priests who molest children.

Sooo why are they involved in a womens constitutional rights?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Sooo why are they involved in a womens constitutional rights?

Soooo why is Obama involved in Catholic's Constitutional Rights?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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Soooo why is Obama involved in Catholic's Constitutional Rights?
Who's forcing any Catholic to use contraception?

Regardless of the issue, why should a church acting as an employer be exempt from any employment regulations?
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Who's forcing any Catholic to use contraception?
Who is forcing anyone to work for a certain employer or preventing anyone from getting their own health insurance or just paying for their own contraception (or possibly getting it for free at Planned Parenthood)?

People should not have the right to demand that their employers' consciences be violated.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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What does this have to do with separation of church and state? The Bishops are an interest group like thousands of others. They are making their position on an issue known. I guess for Republicans, an interest group's position is expected to be accompanied by a check.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Who is forcing anyone to work for a certain employer or preventing anyone from getting their own health insurance or just paying for their own contraception (or possibly getting it for free at Planned Parenthood)?
The church is free to NOT offer healthcare as part of their employment package.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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Well, one set is a group of Bishops.

The OTHER is the head (Cardinal) of the entire Catholic Church in the USA.
A Cardinal isn't the "head" of the entire US Catholic Church. First, there are 17 of them here. Every cardinal is elevated from the role of Bishop by the pope to serve in the College of Cardinals. Their job as a Cardinal is to serve as an adviser to the pope if needed, and ultimately to elect a new pope when needed. Some run a department in the Roman curia. A pope is selected and elected by his fellow cardinals. Of the 17 Cardinals in the US, some run dioceses just as they did when they were a bishop, some are retired, and some do other jobs in the church. They aren't "over" the bishops in terms of determining policy.

Every cardinal is or was a bishop-- A bishop is the governing authority over a diocese, or a regional territory of the Catholic Church. The Bishops get together to write statements on policy that are authoritative statements on Catholic teachings.
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The church is free to NOT offer healthcare as part of their employment package.
Church-affiliated employers and non-church-affiliated employers who are Catholic and have 50 or more employees will not be free to not offer healthcare, including contraception, as a part of their employment package starting in 2014 according to ObamaCare.

I should mention - I am not Catholic and certainly think contraception is a very good thing. That being said, I'm sick of this attitude that people have that their rights are the only rights that matter (not that anyone is suggesting people should not have the right to use contraception....so it's a real stretch to say that anyone is trying to take away employees' rights) and that others should not have rights.
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