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Old 08-16-2012, 11:34 PM
 
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SurveyUSA News Poll #19480

Only 30% of the seniors polled have an unfavorable opinion of Paul Ryan.

Overall, 57% of respondents say they are more likely to vote for Romney with Ryan on the ticket and just 30% of respondents feel that Paul Ryan would not be ready to step in as POTUS.


That's hilarious...lol. Seniors are not as gullible as people think. Quite the contrary, they usually have the political thing sorted out pretty well.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That's hilarious...lol. Seniors are not as gullible as people think. Quite the contrary, they usually have the political thing sorted out pretty well.
No, what is hilarious is that Republicans seem to think a poll whose sample is SEVENTEEN PEOPLE mean something.....
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:36 AM
 
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No, what is hilarious is that Republicans seem to think a poll whose sample is SEVENTEEN PEOPLE mean something.....

Things are not looking up for you folks. I understand your poor attitude...lol.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Things are not looking up for you folks. I understand your poor attitude...lol.
So again you are failing to address the thread title lie/ mistake or the fact the subset of the subset of the sample in this poll is of 17 people......
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No, what is hilarious is that Republicans seem to think a poll whose sample is SEVENTEEN PEOPLE mean something.....
Where does the 17 number come from? I read that 100 "Whose Minds Changed." That's the sample size, 100. At that sample size, this survey has a margin of error of 10%, which makes the results meaningless.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Poll Read FAIL

EPIC EPIC FAIL


The 64% was for the portion of those in which the Ryan pick changed their minds. Of course what you didn't mention is that only 14% of Seniors said their minds changed at all with the Ryan pick, 83% said no change 3% not sure

So the 64% is of the 14% that said their minds were changed

So basically what you really have is:

9% of Seniors more likely to vote for Romney as a result of Ryan
5% of Seniors less likely to vote for Romney as a result of Ryan
83% of Seniors the Ryan pick will not change their vote
3% of Seniors unsure if their vote will change as a result of Ryan


Not to mention considering seniors are a subset of the poll, and the % of seniors whose minds change because of the Romney pick is an even smaller subset, you get into some extremely high margin of error rates when you are dealing in sample sizes that is about total of 17 yes SEVENTEEN people

EPIC FAIL THREAD FAIL of BEYOND EPIC PROPORTIONS
Romney was already leading with senior voters in FL (I think 2 to 1). If most seniors are still staying with their choice, and if Romney is able to actually have a net gain of seniors who want to vote for him, then this plays against the narrative that FL is out of Romney's hands because of the Medicare issue, right?

I think that is the better take away from this poll rather than raw numbers and percentages.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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Where does the 17 number come from? I read that 100 "Whose Minds Changed." That's the sample size, 100. At that sample size, this survey has a margin of error of 10%, which makes the results meaningless.
The OP broke it down even further and used Seniors whose mine changed, which is 18% of the 100. technically 18, but if you do the math it looks like its actually 17

At work using my phone, so I don't have the poll in ron of me, but iirc the poll had 590 respondents. Of those 590 about 21% were seniors, of that 21% who are seniors, 83% said their minds didn't change, 14% minds changed.

So you take 21% of the 590 to find out how many seniors were polled, and then take 14% of that number to find out the amount of seniors whose minds changed. So you wind up with a sub sample of a sub sample which equates to 17 or perhaps 18 people, and a MOE that is far higher than even the 10%, if you look at the % of seniors who changd their minds.

Fact of the matter is the vast majority of those polled were not impacted at all by the Ryan pick. and out of those who were the sample size is way too small to really make anything out of it, even more so if you break it down the way the op tried to do.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Of course those seniors are for it, they don't give a damn about the young. They got their benefits, screw everyone else.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:08 PM
 
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That's interesting... do they like that he plans to destroy medicare?
Find another talking point. This one is dead.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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Of course those seniors are for it, they don't give a damn about the young. They got their benefits, screw everyone else.
Yuu certainly are misinformed. Under the Ryan plan, those under 55 can stay on Medicare or choose a voucher system and free mkt principals. I hate dependence on the Govt and think I can choose better, so would welcome the opportunity to choose an insurance program at Retirement. Are you against choice for some reason? If you are under 55 now and reached retirement age you could go with Medicare, so what is your problem? Trying to prevent the rest of us from having a choice?
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