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Old 08-30-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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In his speech to the Republican National Convention on Aug. 29, 2012, Paul Ryan described a GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, WI, and said that Barack Obama had given a speech there in 2008, saying that if government supported it, the plant would be there for another 100 years. And that after Obama took office, the plant had then closed.

The usual leftist fanatics have been screaming ever since, that Ryan lied about it.

So, what's the truth?

It's quite simple: Paul Ryan told the exact truth.

Obama's Speech in Janesville, Wisconsin - Council on Foreign Relations

Obama's speech was given at the Janesville plant on Feb. 13, 2008. It was open during that period. Obama said, "I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009. And the Janesville GM plant remained open until April 23, 2009... on which day it closed.

MSNBC’s Schultz and Sharpton Falsely Claim Janesville Plant Closed Under President Bush to Slam Ryan « The Greenroom

The Obots on MSNBC have been screaming that Paul Ryan lied about this plant in some unspecified way.

But it is now clear that the liars are Ed Schultz and Al Sharpton of MSNBC.

As usual.

The Democrats are so bankrupt, so bereft of ideas and substance, that they must now accuse Republicans of lying when they clearly didn't. When it's easy to demonstrate the truth of what the Republicans said.

Can the Democrat party sink any lower?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Saying the plant remained open until April '09 is very deceptive. One small line remained in production, but thousands of workers had already been laid off by then (actually in December ' 08).

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Old 08-30-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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Why was it closed? The articles are both unclear as to the exact reason, but it seems like the company decided to increase efficiency and merged two production lines?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:09 PM
 
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It closed in large part because demand for suvs went way down. You can also blame GM's management and the UAW for not coming to a labor agreement.

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Old 08-30-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Saying the plant remained open until April '09 is very deceptive. One small line remained in production, but thousands of workers had already been laid off by then (actually in December ' 08).

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Yet, that "small line" wouldn't work in a closed plant, not could it?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Yeah, which makes my friend and thousands of others who lost their jobs before end of 2008 feel a lot better.

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Old 08-30-2012, 12:15 PM
 
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Who cares? Why is the government in the auto business?
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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I don't know. Ask Paul Ryan. He tried to get stimulus funds to keep the plant open.

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Old 08-30-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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Ryan flat out lied, using radical right wing propaganda sites like hotair doesn't make it factual,..



http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...gm-plant-open/
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Ryan flat out lied, using radical right wing propaganda sites like hotair doesn't make it factual,..
TRANSLATION: I can't refute what the OP said, but I hate it anyway, so I'll attack the messenger instead, and then just imitate my idols Sharpton and Schultz and keep screeching that he lied anyway, and hope others don't find out he told the truth.
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