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Old 09-09-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I haven't either, and I wasn't born rich.

I joined the Navy. Never worried about a roof or a hot meal. Went to college. Met a girl and got married. Got my Masters. Got a job and lived within my means.

We didn't always have money but never really worried about it. The real money didn't start flowing until I was 50. Even then we weren't big spenders.

If you make $50k and can live on $30k you won't have money problems, either. If you make $50k and spend $60k, you've got problems.

The choice is yours.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Romney should have been a Democrat. I think his true (unspoken) values are much more aligned with Obama's than they are with Limbaugh's. He is a fish out of water in today's right wing extremist Republican party.
Well he use to be a democrat. I think that is really where his social value are.

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Coupled with his admission on Meet the Press that he actually likes Obamacare--after years of telling his loony teabagger base how bad it is--this MTP interview was a disaster, just like the RNC convention.
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Are you saying homosexuals are loony? And what do they have to do with this subject?
Will you be starting a teabagging awareness campaign to notify heterosexual couples all over the world that teabagging is now only for gay men?
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Joseph Kenndy had four sons.

Joe: Killed during WWII while serving in the military
Jack: Commanded a PT boat during WW II
Bobby: enlisted in Naval Reserve
Teddy: enlisted in the Army after WWII was over

Mitt Romney has five sons.

Tagg: works at a capital firm (no miltary service)
Matt: works at a capital firm (no miltary service)
Josh: real estate developer (no miltary service)
Ben: a doctor (hey, one of them actually amounted to something! still no military service)
Craig: works in real estate (no miltary service)

Now FDR, wasn't he the guy who introduced Social Security? And Romney is the guy who wants to trash it for people like me. I'm 54, paid into it just like everybody else, but because I am not a full-fledge boomer I won't see the benefits.

Please, there is no comparison between the self-serving leeches that the Romneys are and the Kennedys and Roosevelts who actually understood the meaning of public service.
Excellent points.


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Old 09-09-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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Wow, they are both in their 60's and NEVER had a financial struggle. How many Americans can identify with that?

Ann Romney: Mitt's been 'demonized' - POLITICO.com
Well it's better she fess up in stead of claiming "struggle". My biggest issue with both of them is they just can't relate to the poor, working class and middle class of the country. Maybe if they'd done some serious community service or something to really work with the struggling masses over the years it'd be different. I always think of the Kennedy's and Roosevelts who were both rich but also served. Eleanor Roosevelt is one of my hero's, she was truely an amazing woman who was well ahead of her time.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Not Moving
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HUH What? As I said, my concern with Romney is that he has zero empathy for the poor and middle class, but many wealthy people DO get it. The Kennedys and Roosevelt both had privileged lives, but their legislative agendas were designed to help those who didn't. Remember the War on Poverty and the New Deal? Think Warren Buffet and Bill Gates now...

Romney doesn't get it--he's telling people to borrow money from their parents to start a business, and according to an analysis by the Tax Policy Center, his economic plan to reduce the deficit would cut taxes for the wealthy and raise defense spending (it doesn't even make sense), requiring everything else in the federal budget to be cut by over 50%, and triggering a middle class tax hike to even break even.
What in the world are you talking / thinking about?! And that's my last time spent with people like you who don't get it and never will.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:48 PM
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Every time I see them I think of Thurston Howell III and his clueless wife, Lovey. And his running mate Eddie Munster.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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I feel bad for Romney when it comes to this stuff.

1. He's clearly a moderate. Always has been. And he's pretty flexible in his thinking, which can be a good thing sometimes (and sometimes bad because I think his ambitions can get the best of him). But circumstances are forcing him to try to come across as someone he's not.

2. I think he's basically a good guy with good intentions that is just really awkward. That does not help him come off genuine, made worse by the fact that he can't even try to sell his actual self, he has to sell this other guy his base wants.

3. Nothing wrong with being rich, but if you can't develop self awareness with it you will need a hell of a lot of charm. Another place the awkwardness hurts him.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wow, they are both in their 60's and NEVER had a financial struggle. How many Americans can identify with that?

Ann Romney: Mitt's been 'demonized' - POLITICO.com
What was that crap about using an ironing board for a dining room table? Another lie?

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Ann Romney 2012: "Our desk was a door propped up on sawhorses. Our dining room table was a fold down ironing board in the kitchen.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...y-years/56321/
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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What was that crap about using an ironing board for a dining room table? Another lie?


Fact-Checking Ann and Mitt Romney's Hardknock Early Years - Politics - The Atlantic Wire
Perhaps the antique Chippendale dining set had yet to arrive from the restorer's? It is so hard to find good help after all and a good restorer even more so!
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: west central Georgia
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I think is a ridiculous argument to be having when we have so much that needs fixing in our country, however:
How is borrowing money from your parents any different than staying on their insurance til you're 26?
Also, don't we have a generation of younger adults living with parents into their 30's because they can't find jobs?
Families help each other out, dem or rep, rich or poor.
Stop trying to stratify our citizens into 99% v. 1%, then say your party is with the poor. If it's truly 99% that is pretty much all of us, making both parties champions of the poor.
There is nothing virtuous in being poor. There is nothing evil in being rich. The rich give much to society (museums, scholarships, performing arts venues, foundations and trusts that support PBS/NPR). They have much to give. The middle class provides for its own and gives to charities and volunteers in areas benefiting the poor. The poor struggle to "make it".
This demonization of the rich smacks of envy.
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