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Old 10-11-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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He'd still be a complete failure.
He`ll get to be one for another 4 years.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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I just want to preface this posting to say that I believe, based on all available evidence, that Obama is a Christian who has been influenced, at least to some extent, by his Church's subscription to Black Liberation Theology, a branch of theological thought that is not very far removed from Latin American Liberation Theology. Among theologians and other thinkers about Christian philosophy, these strands themselves are not very far from mainstream thought, although they could be beyond the pale according to some very punitive and restrictive ideas about Protestant Christianity. As I understand liberation theology, their adherents advocate that people should advance the social gospel of Jesus (for example, the Sermon on the Mount), while eschewing so-called Christan ideologies that advocate for the exaltation of rich people and the idea that such people are blessed merely because they are successful in the world.

While personally I am an agnostic, I am extremely curious about why some people are so quick to say that Obama is either Muslim or unchristian, and I wonder about the evidence upon which they base their claims. There is a poster here who bases such claims merely on the provenance of the President's middle name; I don't think that is good enough evidence because "hussein" means handsome in Arabic, and in addition to that, there are a lot of people worldwide who speak Arabic and thus give their children Arabic names who are not Muslim. Primary examples that come to mind are Coptic Christians and Sikhs, the latter of which were notoriously slain in WI quite recently.

I'm hoping that what I have said above will illustrate the diversity of Christian and Muslim thought in the U.S. and why that is important to democracy; maybe I have a different point of view because I have often hailed cabs in NYC, and I have seen for myself how badly immigrants from the Middle East want to fit in to their adopted country. They have cab licenses; they run bodegas; inner city residents depend on the flowers, fruits, and vegetables that they line their stores with. They work tirelessly; and, since 9/11, they've been pulled out of their shops, fruit stands, and cabs, and they've been beaten and scorned. They don't deserve this treatment because they are some of the hardest working Americans and immigrants that I have ever met.

So, why should you care about all of this? The main point I'm trying to make is that while there is no evidence that Obama is a Muslim, who cares if he might be? There is no religious test for office written into the constitution, and in fact, such a test is prohibited by law and that very document. I'm waiting for someone to explain to me why such a test should apply now? You all claim to want to interpret the constitution in its original form. It would be much easier for me to buy your arguments if you would be consistent: either there is a religious test or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. Please answer this "so what" question: you not only need to provide proof that Obama is a Muslim, but you also need to prove how that matters in a substantial way given the way the Constitution that you so often cite was written.

Obama is an aetheist.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I just want to preface this posting to say that I believe, based on all available evidence, that Obama is a Christian who has been influenced, at least to some extent, by his Church's subscription to Black Liberation Theology, a branch of theological thought that is not very far removed from Latin American Liberation Theology. Among theologians and other thinkers about Christian philosophy, these strands themselves are not very far from mainstream thought, although they could be beyond the pale according to some very punitive and restrictive ideas about Protestant Christianity. As I understand liberation theology, their adherents advocate that people should advance the social gospel of Jesus (for example, the Sermon on the Mount), while eschewing so-called Christan ideologies that advocate for the exaltation of rich people and the idea that such people are blessed merely because they are successful in the world.

While personally I am an agnostic, I am extremely curious about why some people are so quick to say that Obama is either Muslim or unchristian, and I wonder about the evidence upon which they base their claims. There is a poster here who bases such claims merely on the provenance of the President's middle name; I don't think that is good enough evidence because "hussein" means handsome in Arabic, and in addition to that, there are a lot of people worldwide who speak Arabic and thus give their children Arabic names who are not Muslim. Primary examples that come to mind are Coptic Christians and Sikhs, the latter of which were notoriously slain in WI quite recently.

I'm hoping that what I have said above will illustrate the diversity of Christian and Muslim thought in the U.S. and why that is important to democracy; maybe I have a different point of view because I have often hailed cabs in NYC, and I have seen for myself how badly immigrants from the Middle East want to fit in to their adopted country. They have cab licenses; they run bodegas; inner city residents depend on the flowers, fruits, and vegetables that they line their stores with. They work tirelessly; and, since 9/11, they've been pulled out of their shops, fruit stands, and cabs, and they've been beaten and scorned. They don't deserve this treatment because they are some of the hardest working Americans and immigrants that I have ever met.

So, why should you care about all of this? The main point I'm trying to make is that while there is no evidence that Obama is a Muslim, who cares if he might be? There is no religious test for office written into the constitution, and in fact, such a test is prohibited by law and that very document. I'm waiting for someone to explain to me why such a test should apply now? You all claim to want to interpret the constitution in its original form. It would be much easier for me to buy your arguments if you would be consistent: either there is a religious test or there isn't. You can't have it both ways. Please answer this "so what" question: you not only need to provide proof that Obama is a Muslim, but you also need to prove how that matters in a substantial way given the way the Constitution that you so often cite was written.
I agree there are no restrictions on being a Muslim or any religion or no religion to be president.
The problem in your hypothetical would be Obama would have claimed to be Christian when he would not have been. This would then lead to he mans integrity. Since he has stated already so many lies about himself already I doubt for his supporters they would care as they have already shown the ability to ignore his past lies.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Interview with Obama's cousin:

http://www.shoebat.com/videos/obamasCousin.m4v
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