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Old 10-15-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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People like to sell the notion that Obama is a socialist, which has never seemed to square with the facts for me. Government budgets have been flat, as have taxes. He is a an idealistic pragmatist.

Romney, in contrast, has radical plans to axe the government, and help all those poor millionaire who support him. The argument, of course, is that tax cuts will juice the economy and all will be well. I don't see it. While there is a 100% chance billionaires will love Romney, I would put the chances at no more than 5% that the tax cut and boom will ever work. It is a cynical fantasy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/op...ryan.html?_r=1

These ideas won't fly for the near term economy either. If Romney is able to cut nondefense spending from 12 million to 6.9 million (even far more severe than Ryan's ideas), this will mean laying off many thousands of public sector employees. Quite aside from the things these people do for us, which are legion, from running national parks to running homeland security, federal research, etc., this will hose the jobless rate. I find it hard to believe that axing tens to hundreds of thousands of middle class professional public sector jobs will be compensating by lowering taxes on the wealthy. The dog won't hunt.

And it is certainly not a good strategy for proactively dealing with the aging boomer problem. Right when we should building our reserves for this tsunami of retirements, our revenue will get axed.

America has not run on 15% of GDP since the 1950s, and it will never suffice to cover the aging boomers.

If you are within 20 years of retirement, I would ask you to not be selfish. Think of the next generation, and don't buy into the tax cut lunacy of Romney. Go with Obama, and let's move back from the edge of craziness towards the centrist policies of the last 60 years.

The Romney plan is a give away to the rich, and most likely a hose job for every one else.

Romney is a good saleman, but he is selling an epic snowjob.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yeah...reducing unemployement, getting the deficit under control and reigning in government spending is radical. Hopefully he's the man to do it...for damned sure Obama wasn't the guy for the job.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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Yeah...reducing unemployement, getting the deficit under control and reigning in government spending is radical.
LOL, yea, those are radical ideas.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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I'd agree with the notion, if we only knew which Romney. Is this Gov. Romney, something close to a genuine paternalist BTK conservative Republican of the good old tradition?

Or is this Primary Romney, outflanker of Santorum and champion of the libertarian know-nothing chauvinist nativist puritans who have seized control of the party?

Or is this General-Election Romney, straining to make the bi-partisan mating call of the independent?

The first Romney was something like a real Conservative. The second indubitably a radical. The third nothing more than a scoundrel.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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If you consider vanilla radical. Every 8 years we vote in either classic vanilla or French vanilla into the office. I'm sick of all flavors of vanilla because it's STILL VANILLA!!! We need a real radical. Someone who is not part of the parties that have gotten our nation into the trouble it is in. They caused the problems and the solutions are not found in them. We need to quit making the same mistakes over and over and expecting different results.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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What I find 'radical' is the constant change of his positions to fit whatever he feels will win.

Take the hot-button issue, Abortion.

Mitt Romney's Abortion Evolution - ABC News
Political positions of Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Romney is not a radical...he is a moderate. Romney is doing the same thing McCain did in 2008 unfortunately. The party's base today is moving to the fringes...so much so that the moderate repubilcans (like myself) are subjected to the religious nuts that are starting to control it. When a Scott Brown or John McCain ends up acting like they are on board with the far right members of our party, it is a little hard to watch. But I do not personally believe that Romney is a radical in the slighest. The tea party people are driving the party right now and it's a pain to watch. I'm hoping it runs its course so we can get back to more moderate republicans. I was VERY hopeful for Jon Huntsman to make it through the primaries as he embodied a moderate republican. It would have been refreshing to see him do well. Huntsman has a great record of fiscal conservatism and bi partisanship to run on....but the far right wing of the gop didn't like him. My only fear is that it will take losing election after election to realize that this isn't an ideal ideology to espouse.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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If you believe Romney is a radical than please give me the radical over the whimp!
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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For someone who has self declared they will not vote for either....you sure put up a lot of crap about Romney....why is that?
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Yeah...reducing unemployement, getting the deficit under control and reigning in government spending is radical. Hopefully he's the man to do it...for damned sure Obama wasn't the guy for the job.
Thats crazy talk
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