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Old 11-01-2012, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
Tell me about it! ALL of them are doing this - except good ole Rasmussen, of course. Out of the dozens of pollsters out there only one does it right!
Rasmussen was among the most accurate in 2008.

 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by tofurkey View Post
I would imagine the Review Journal has a wider circulation in Nevada than does either your criticism of it or does City-Data.
Actually the RJ is pretty much it for Las Vegas. I read it and so does most of the population. The Sun also has some more interesting and thought out opinions contained within the RJ...but the RJ is fun.

Note the devastating impact of the RJ endorsement of Sharon Angle for the Senate in 2010. The RJ was out front and leading the way in the right wing drive to retire Harry Reid. And you know well how that turned out. And it was Las Vegas that carried the day.

I think we all like the RJ...again though it is the berserk uncle who lounges around all day in his dirty robe dissing all of the world for not appreciating his greatness.
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by Fleet View Post
Rasmussen was among the most accurate in 2008.
Well, that myth has been dispelled many times but it lives on in the hearts of the conservatives.
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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I think the fact that Obama was in WI today and is going back tomorrow and again on Monday plus the fact that Romney was there today pretty much spells out that both of those polls are junk.

Rasmussen and NBC are probably in the ballpark of where the race is.
where do you expect Obama to go? Wisconsin is a battleground state and Romney is on the offense there. Doesnt mean Obama is going to lose. It can mean Romney is desperate and is throwing a hail mary.
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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national trackers and rcp state numbers are both going obama now............
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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where do you expect Obama to go? Wisconsin is a battleground state and Romney is on the offense there. Doesnt mean Obama is going to lose. It can mean Romney is desperate and is throwing a hail mary.
VA, NC, FL, NH, IA, NV, CO, OH would all be options.

From today til election day he will go to....

OH-3 times
WI- 3 times
CO- 2 times
IA- 2 times
FL- 1 time
NV- 1 time
NH-1 time
VA-1 time

Wisconsin doesn't seem like some typical battleground state, the polls must be tight otherwise he'd invest more time in other areas especially VA or FL which are states Romney cannot afford to lose.
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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Stage 1. Weighted Polling Average
Polls released into the public domain are collected together and averaged, with the components weighted on three factors:

Recency.
Sample size.
Pollster rating.

Stage 2. Adjusted Polling Average
After the weighted polling average is calculated, it is subject to three additional types of adjustments.

The trendline adjustment.
The house effects adjustment.
The likely voter adjustment.

Step 3: FiveThirtyEight Regression
Therefore, we augment the polling average by using a linear regression analysis that attempts to predict the candidates’ standing according to several non-poll factors:

  • A state’s Partisan Voting Index
  • The composition of party identification in the state’s electorate (as determined through Gallup polling)
  • The sum of individual contributions received by each candidate as of the last F.E.C. reporting period (this variable is omitted if one or both candidates are new to the race and have yet to complete an FEC filing period)
  • Incumbency status
  • For incumbent Senators, an average of recent approval and favorability ratings
  • A variable representing stature, based on the highest elected office that the candidate has held. It takes on the value of 3 for candidates who have been Senators or Governors in the past; 2 for U.S. Representatives, statewide officeholders like Attorneys General, and mayors of cities of at least 300,000 persons; 1 for state senators, state representatives, and other material elected officeholders (like county commissioners or mayors of small cities), and 0 for candidates who have not held a material elected office before.
Step 4: FiveThirtyEight Snapshot


Step 5. Blah, blah, blah...

Step 6. Blah, blah, blah...


Step 7. Blah, blah, blah...
Methodology - NYTimes.com

Seriously? You all are hitting your refresh buttons every three seconds for that? Really, go through and read how they weight all of their findings and then come back with a straight face and say it's not all bull-malarkey.

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Rasmussen showing a Republican with a 1-point lead in a particular state might be equivalent to a Democratic-leaning pollster showing a 4-point lead for the Democrat in the same state.
LOL...

Last edited by BigJon3475; 11-01-2012 at 06:09 PM.. Reason: Left out "Stage 4" by accident... lol
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
Bottoming out is what everyone wants. Do you own a house? Do you understand what it would mean for housing to "bottom out?" If not, then you shouldn't be opining.
Not really honey.

I own several. Do YOU?. A bad market affects business. But I guess that is too nuanced for you.

In Nevada those jobs arent 'coming back"either.
Many casinos are now in Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Cant sell a house in a ghost town.
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Originally Posted by FargoBison View Post
VA, NC, FL, NH, IA, NV, CO, OH would all be options.

From today til election day he will go to....

OH-3 times
WI- 3 times
CO- 2 times
IA- 2 times
FL- 1 time
NV- 1 time
NH-1 time
VA-1 time

Wisconsin doesn't seem like some typical battleground state, the polls must be tight otherwise he'd invest more time in other areas especially VA or FL which are states Romney cannot afford to lose.
They say that one in the hand is better than two in the bush...
 
Old 11-01-2012, 05:58 PM
 
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I will go with Gallup Sample size of 2700+.

they have Romney up big in National vote. 51/46 No way Romney loses Ohio unless he is within one percent Nationally or lower....

Going to be fun watching the Lib Meltdown on Tuesday.
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