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Old 11-05-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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According to my own calculations, Obama will barely get elected.

I am giving Romney Florida, North Carolina, Colorado ... and I'm expecting Obama to take Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada ...

It is an exciting race, though.

 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:09 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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In sorry when did a 1pt margin within the ME constitute a lead?
Since MoEs are bell-curves, and a +1 lead even within a MoE constitutes a greater likelihood of prevailing than not prevailing.

Here, educate yourself:
Margin of error - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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In sorry when did a 1pt margin within the ME constitute a lead?
Gravis is a right-leaning poll. So a +1 for Obama is really about a +3 or 4 for Obama (which is where the RCP average is).

Besides, it's not about one poll right now. It's about the aggregate. In the aggregate, Obama is actually outside of the margin of error (because the ME decreases with an increase in sample size). He has a RCP lead of +3.0 but the aggregate ME is about 1-1.5 percentage points. Don't you just love math?

Obama's RCP average in Ohio is actually larger than it was in 2008.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1860.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-400.html
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Big poll result now out: ABC/WaPo tracker. It is the one that has been giving me a bit of worry because it is a good poll with a huge sample and it has been lagging in the trend to Obama. No more! Obama up by 3.
That poll is wrong. It weighted the partisan split D +6 at 35/29/32 (D/R/I). Gallup has likely voters at R +1, and Rasmussen’s party ID rolling research of 15,000 or so respondents has R's at +5.8. The ABC/WaPo tracker is wrong because it's using the wrong weighting model.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: NC
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I like how Gallup has corrected to +1 Romney from +5 to +7 Romney right before Sandy. Is it the Sandy effect? Or did Gallup tweak their LV model a bit?
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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That poll is wrong. It weighted the partisan split D +6 at 35/29/32 (D/R/I). Gallup has likely voters at R +1, and Rasmussen’s party ID rolling research of 15,000 or so respondents has R's at +5.8. The ABC/WaPo tracker is wrong because it's using the wrong weighting model.
I did not realize you know exactly who is going to vote, and who was not.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:38 PM
 
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I don't know who these guys are, or how credible they are, but I'm keeping what fingers I have left crossed that they know what they're talking about:
sabato is a legit pollster. im glad he has obama winning.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I did not realize you know exactly who is going to vote, and who was not.
Thanks for mentioning that! The enthusiasm gap will also hurt Obama.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Green Onions View Post
Since MoEs are bell-curves, and a +1 lead even within a MoE constitutes a greater likelihood of prevailing than not prevailing.

Here, educate yourself:
Margin of error - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MofE implies the true mean is either +- a given figure with 95% confidence level. So you could take the same random sample and find Romney up 1.

Sigh this is what the WaPo is saying about their 3pt lead. Thanks for nothing Wiki scholar


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The difference between the candidates in the final weekend tally is right at the 2.5 percentage margin of sampling error for the final four-night sample of 2,345 likely voters. This makes Obama's being at plus three points over Romney an edge only by the slimmest of margins, well below conventional measures of statistical significance.
Washington Post
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
Gravis is a right-leaning poll. So a +1 for Obama is really about a +3 or 4 for Obama (which is where the RCP average is).

Besides, it's not about one poll right now. It's about the aggregate. In the aggregate, Obama is actually outside of the margin of error (because the ME decreases with an increase in sample size). He has a RCP lead of +3.0 but the aggregate ME is about 1-1.5 percentage points. Don't you just love math?

Obama's RCP average in Ohio is actually larger than it was in 2008.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Ohio: Romney vs. Obama

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Ohio: McCain vs. Obama
Fair enough but most of the underlying polls are flawed, garbage in, garbage out. RCP may have to remove PPP, Marist and even Quinnipiac when the dust settles.
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