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Old 10-29-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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Assuming you don't confuse Fascism for Capitalism, how is this not true in capitalism:

"because they are only concerned with making one thing...money from you and I."

Is that fundamental to capitalism?
So you do undestand that there is a difference, but dont understand what they are, but thought you'd babble on and on while confusing the two?
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:22 PM
 
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Dude, the bill was written by and for insurance companies and major pharmacudical companies. Of course they want to see it stay in place. They have been able to justify raising rates with impunity.

Now, how about finding out what doctors, hospitals and other health care providers have to say about it?



Yes, exactly.

I have many friends and family in health care and there is not joy over ObamaCare at all.

Insurance companies speak up for their benefit, no one elses.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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Not according to Republican nominee for President, Mitt Romney...

"Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn't have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others."
- Mitt Romney, July 30, 2009 (Op-ed, USA Today)

I guess, "free riders" were bound to hate it?


The difference is Romney won't be dictating anything to Congress and Obama had those non transparent back room meetings.
Obama had too big an influence on what the Dems did in COngress.
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: SC
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With all of the shouting by Romney about repealing Obamacare on day one, the reality of repealing it is now sinking into the heads of the Health Insurance Companies.
With the real prospect of Romney destroying a bill that there is a lot of good things in, the Insurance Companies also realize that Obama was on the side of everyone with his bill.
The Insurance companies would get many more people signing up and millions of American's would be able to get affordable health cover.
The Insurance companies are now the first people to realize that Romney's plans are not as they seem and they will suffer. So will the rest of us in many ways if Romney wins the Election.........
This just shows.................. "be careful what you wish for......."
Insurers in quandary over possible Obamacare repeal
I can tell you from over 20 years experience as an independent health insurance agent in RI and MA that the more government is allowed to get involved in health insurance mandates, the MORE expensive it gets for the consumer.

I saw the effect of Romneycare first hand in MA and how it affected my small group clients there forcing them into more expensive plans with lower deductibles they were trying to avoid.

Many of my clients especially with children were contacted by the state and told they had to raise their deductibles (forcing them to buy more expensive policies).

Also in Massachusetts during the fabricated so called "H1N1" pandemic that never happened that they were hyping up so badly, Massachusetts was going to force a vaccine on everyone or make them pay $1000 in the event there was a pandemic if they refused.

Obamacare will do the same things only MORE so.

(What Romney said about Romneycare during his campaigning was a crock. )




The country will NOT be heading in a good direction under Romney OR Obama. BETTER VOTE THIRD PARTY THIS TIME OR JUST DON'T VOTE AT ALL.
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:09 PM
 
Location: SC
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With all of the shouting by Romney about repealing Obamacare on day one, the reality of repealing it is now sinking into the heads of the Health Insurance Companies.
With the real prospect of Romney destroying a bill that there is a lot of good things in, the Insurance Companies also realize that Obama was on the side of everyone with his bill.
The Insurance companies would get many more people signing up and millions of American's would be able to get affordable health cover.
The Insurance companies are now the first people to realize that Romney's plans are not as they seem and they will suffer. So will the rest of us in many ways if Romney wins the Election.........
This just shows.................. "be careful what you wish for......."
Insurers in quandary over possible Obamacare repeal
Another problem with Obamacare is that it forces carriers to provide unlimited well visits and diagnostics yet limits the coverage when they do get sick in various ways. Those that have their own individual policies that had them in place before Obamacare was passed best KEEP them. They'll be grandfathered. Anyone who changes a plan they had before Obamacare after it passed will be subject to the new Federal Government guidelines which can be changed at a moments notice as can rates.... if Uncle Sam says so.

The irony of all of this is that having health insurance to pay for conventional medical care if you have a chronic or degenerative disease is a total waste anyway. People should know that conventional medical doctors know NOTHING about how to restore peoples' health. All they know is how to help people live with their disease by prescribing prescriptions. Sadly drugs and surgery is about the only thing covered by health insurance.

SURE! You need it in an un-forseen accident.

To actually return to robust health, you need to go to doctors who are experts in wellness and restoring health like Naturopathic Doctors N.D.s who receive just as much training in medical school as a primary care doctor M.D..

Thankfully, the fact that an experienced N.D. can really help you get rid of your Cancer or Diabetes or other incurable disease for a fraction of what you'd pay for health insurance in a year, stellar health is within everyone's reach.

However getting healthy takes work (giving up the wrong foods while healing and eating the right foods) but the Naturopaths know how to help people do that. Of course if everyone went to N.D.s and got rid of their diseases... so they no longer needed their prescriptions, what would happen to BIG PHARMA? Globalists want to ENSURE BIG PHARMA keeps making them rich.

But if natural practitioners in other countries are offered a level playing field without hurting the medical establishment in other countries, there is no reason they could not do so here. Americans have been LIED to for a long long time about the so called "incurability" of disease. Obamacare isn't going to make a dime's worth of difference in our country's overall health. All it will do is make everyone poorer.
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Old 10-30-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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Another problem with Obamacare is that it forces carriers to provide unlimited well visits and diagnostics yet limits the coverage when they do get sick in various ways. Those that have their own individual policies that had them in place before Obamacare was passed best KEEP them. They'll be grandfathered. Anyone who changes a plan they had before Obamacare after it passed will be subject to the new Federal Government guidelines which can be changed at a moments notice as can rates.... if Uncle Sam says so.

The irony of all of this is that having health insurance to pay for conventional medical care if you have a chronic or degenerative disease is a total waste anyway. People should know that conventional medical doctors know NOTHING about how to restore peoples' health. All they know is how to help people live with their disease by prescribing prescriptions. Sadly drugs and surgery is about the only thing covered by health insurance.

SURE! You need it in an un-forseen accident.

To actually return to robust health, you need to go to doctors who are experts in wellness and restoring health like Naturopathic Doctors N.D.s who receive just as much training in medical school as a primary care doctor M.D..

Thankfully, the fact that an experienced N.D. can really help you get rid of your Cancer or Diabetes or other incurable disease for a fraction of what you'd pay for health insurance in a year, stellar health is within everyone's reach.

However getting healthy takes work (giving up the wrong foods while healing and eating the right foods) but the Naturopaths know how to help people do that. Of course if everyone went to N.D.s and got rid of their diseases... so they no longer needed their prescriptions, what would happen to BIG PHARMA? Globalists want to ENSURE BIG PHARMA keeps making them rich.

But if natural practitioners in other countries are offered a level playing field without hurting the medical establishment in other countries, there is no reason they could not do so here. Americans have been LIED to for a long long time about the so called "incurability" of disease. Obamacare isn't going to make a dime's worth of difference in our country's overall health. All it will do is make everyone poorer.

Excellent post. Thank you
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