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That is not the argument his lawyers used against Kreep, when he issues a subpoena to Occidental - they got the judge to quash it.
yep, most likely because kreep's subpoena went beyond just requesting application records. asking for a motion to quash (which was granted seeing how kreep's demands violated FERPA laws) was the simplest and easiest of action.
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Trump would have settled for whatever Obama was willing to produce....
unlikely. trump never gave any inclination of such and since he doesn't believe state certified/verified documentation and contemporaneous confirming evidence it's unlikely that he would accept anything as proof.
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No kindergarten records, no records from Columbia or Harvard......
ok, lets look at THE LIST from 2009
kindergarten records:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: if i remember correctly K-6 aren't part of a person's permanent record and most likely are destroyed after "x" amount of years. will need to look into this one.
columbia (college) records:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: gw bush released part of his college records
required: no
notes: these are private files and are protected under FERPA laws
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: see above
required: no
notes: again, these are private files and are protected under FERPA laws
passport records:
shown by obama: partial
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes:
the birther passport quest usually stems from the misbelief that US citizens were banned from traveling tp pakistan ( obama traveled there in 1981 ). there has never been a travel ban on US citizens to pakistan. but wherever he traveled it wouldn't show up on released passport records. from the US state dept:
Requesting Your Own Record
Passport Services maintains United States passport records for passports issued from 1925 to the present. These records normally consist of applications for United States passports and supporting evidence of United States citizenship, and are protected by the Privacy Act of 1974, (5 USC 552(a)). Passport records do not include evidence of travel such as entrance/exit stamps, visas, residence permits, etc., since this information is entered into the passport book after it is issued.
obama has released video of his current passport, more than any other president or candidate has done to date.
shown by obama: partial
shown by romney: partial
shown by other president: variable
required: no
notes: both obama and romney released an overview from their respective physicians declaring them in good health. i'm going off vague memory about what medical records past presidents have released.
state senator files and schedules:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: n/a
shown by other president: unknown
required: no
notes: this one is a bit misleading. imo it infers that public records for the illinois state senate are missing or "sealed". their not. it's up to the individual state senator if they personally want to maintain any of the files in question when they leave office. from what little i've seen it appears that most don't.
i haven't looked into which presidents were state senators and if they kept such records. if you'd like to do that it would be greatly appreciated claud ( or anyone else ).
obama’s client list from during his time in private practice
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: this would be a direct violation of client/attorney privilege.
state bar association records
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: not exactly sure what's being asked for here. much has been made of the obamas retired/inactive status with their law licenses and there is no disciplinary action registered so i'm not sure what other records you're looking for.
baptism records
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: um....... ok. would be a violation to the "religious test" clause of the US constitution to require it.
obama/dunham (parents) marriage license
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: hawaiian vital records lists the marriage in their marriage index:
MARRIAGE INDEX -- OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING
GROOM -- OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN
BRIDE -- DUNHAN, STANLEY ANN
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: can't find the marriage license but here are the divorce papers
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: he was never adopted. of the two presidents that were adopted, clinton and ford, neither released adoption records.
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His entire history is a game of hide n seek.
if only he'd have released what all other presidents have.
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yep, most likely because kreeps subpoena went beyond just requesting application records. asking for a motion to quash (which was granted seeing how kreep's demands violated FERPA laws) was the simplest and easiest of action.
unlikely. trump never gave any inclination of such and since he doesn't believe state certified/verified documentation and contemporaneous confirming evidence it's unlikely that he would accept anything as proof.
ok, lets look at THE LIST from 2009
kindergarten records:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: if i remember correctly K-6 aren't part of a person's permanent record and most likely are destroyed after "x" amount of years. will need to look into this one.
columbia (college) records:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: these are private files and are protected under FERPA laws
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: again, these are private files and are protected under FERPA laws
passport records:
shown by obama: partial
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes:
the birther passport quest usually stems from the misbelief that US citizens were banned from traveling tp pakistan ( obama traveled there in 1981 ). there has never been a travel ban on US citizens to pakistan. but wherever he traveled it wouldn't show up on released passport records. from the US state dept:
Requesting Your Own Record
Passport Services maintains United States passport records for passports issued from 1925 to the present. These records normally consist of applications for United States passports and supporting evidence of United States citizenship, and are protected by the Privacy Act of 1974, (5 USC 552(a)). Passport records do not include evidence of travel such as entrance/exit stamps, visas, residence permits, etc., since this information is entered into the passport book after it is issued.
obama has released video of his current passport, more than any other president or candidate has done to date.
shown by obama: partial
shown by romney: partial
shown by other president: variable
required: no
notes: both obama and romney released an overview from their respective physicians declaring them in good health. i'm going off vague memory about what medical records past presidents have released.
state senator files and schedules:
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: n/a
shown by other president: unknown
required: no
notes: this one is a bit misleading. imo it infers that public records for the illinois state senate are missing or "sealed". their not. it's up to the individual state senator if they personally want to maintain any of the files in question when they leave office. from what little i've seen it appears that most don't.
i haven't looked into which presidents were state senators and if they kept such records. if you'd like to do that it would be greatly appreciated claud ( or anyone else ).
obama’s client list from during his time in private practice
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: this would be a direct violation of client/attorney privilege.
state bar association records
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: not exactly sure what's being asked for here. much has been made of the obamas retired/inactive status with their law licenses and there is no disciplinary action registered so i'm not sure what other records you're looking for.
baptism records
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: um....... ok. would be a violation to the "religious test" clause of the US constitution to require it.
obama/dunham (parents) marriage license
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: hawaiian vital records lists the marriage in their marriage index:
MARRIAGE INDEX -- OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING
GROOM -- OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN
BRIDE -- DUNHAN, STANLEY ANN
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: can't find the marriage license but here are the divorce papers
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: he was never adopted. of the two presidents that were adopted, clinton and ford, neither released adoption records.
if only he'd have released what all other presidents have.
Great post. wb! (Couldn't rep you for it, though. )
Unfortunately, all your hard work will fall on deaf ears. You know better than anybody that there are some who will NOT accept the truth, no matter how clearly and how concisely you spell it out (like you did here). Believing that an idiot and total attention ***** such as Trump would have purely altruistic intentions by making this "offer" to President Obama is much more convenient to their racist agendas than accepting the FACTS.
And, yes, I said it - "racists." There is absolutely no other reason possible for this president to have had to endure this much scrutiny and attempts to belittle and demean him than the fact of the color of his skin and his "foreign" sounding name.
Unfortunately, all your hard work will fall on deaf ears.
i know. but for those truly interested in the truth......... there you go.
i also try and use it for a learning experience ( i'm curious now to find out the "permanent record" status of K-6 records ).
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You know better than anybody that there are some who will NOT accept the truth, no matter how clearly and how concisely you spell it out (like you did here).
yep, and that's one of the things i find fascinating, the degree of cognitive dissonance required to maintain a belief in a ridiculous ever expanding conspiracy theory.
shown by obama: no
shown by romney: no
shown by other president: no
required: no
notes: if i remember correctly K-6 aren't part of a person's permanent record and most likely are destroyed after "x" amount of years. will need to look into this one.
haven't found hawaiian policy yet but here are the K-12 records retention schedule for florida:
registration records, which i think the birthers are after, are only kept for 3 years.
"REGISTRATIONS: K-12 Item #163
This record series consists of student registration records which may include, but are not limited to, registration form; verification of legal name, birth date, and address; and other required information and documentation.
RETENTION:
a) Record copy. 3 fiscal years.
b) Duplicates. Retain until obsolete, superseded or administrative value is lost. "
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Or, was he talking about last Thursday?
