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Old 11-01-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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TL;DR.

What did he do that was treason? If he had any offenses, don't you think that Congress would bring up charges against him?
Oh sorry that took me about 240 seconds to type, i didn't know your reading skills were so poor. Congress is working on it as i speak. I write to them myself so i know, and i have asked about the arrest, so far in person.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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This is the stuff i hate...this "mandate" stuff.

When Clinton beat Bush, Repubs immediately started screaming about how Clinton didn't have a mandate to do anything...led by Bob Dole incidently. It's sore loser crap. Something to throw out there to emasculate the president and his supporters and making them feel as if they've accomplished nothing by winning.

If a president wins, he has political capital, a mandate, and he should use it to the extent that he can. The mandate comes from the people, and the people elected him over someone else. So if Romney or Obama wins, they should be able to carry out their agenda because THAT'S what the people voted for in a Constitutional Republic. We also vote in Congressmen that keep a check on his/her agenda, and we expect them to do their jobs so as not to have an imperial presidency.

But to declare BEFORE an election that the presupposed winner doesn't have a mandate is bullshyt.
Obama has exhausted all of his. Any sort of soft factor Obama can use to promote his agenda is gone. The only legitimacy he'll have is that he won the electoral college, which of course, is all that is necessary. He will most likely lose the popular vote.

The only way Obama is going to be able to govern is by executive order, but he'll be limited because he'll be subject to GOP obstructionism with regards to funding of his orders.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:00 PM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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If a president wins, he has political capital, a mandate, and he should use it to the extent that he can. The mandate comes from the people, and the people elected him over someone else.
Excatley.

The Republicans need to stop being sore losers. Get OVER it already. Better luck in 2016.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: In an indoor space
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Excatley.

The Republicans need to stop being sore losers. Get OVER it already. Better luck in 2016.
Losers?

lol!

I voted for Romney but "if" 0bama wins re-election I'll have to accept it and pray that we make it through the next 4 years.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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What crime or cover-up has he committed that is impeachable?

Provide citations please. I'm not saying he didn't do anything, but without proof you're just making a baseless claim.
Once those records for Fast and Furious, AND Benghazi get opened up, it's game over, I'm thinking.

I'd actually LOVE to provide citations, but the most transparent president ever has sealed all records pertaining to these issues. Which tells me he's hiding something.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I must look up this 'WIN but have NO mandate to govern' clause in the Constitution - subheading: 'losing party making face saving arguments before the inevitable'.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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What freedoms have you lost personally in the last four years?
The freedom to refrain from buying healthcare, for starters.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The freedom to refrain from buying healthcare, for starters.
You don't have to buy it. You'll just get a smaller tax return.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The freedom to refrain from buying healthcare, for starters.
I think you mean the "freedom to mooch off hospitals when you get sick without having to be burdened with paying like everyone else does".

You're breaking my heart.


Ken
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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in red
So, paying your own way, with regards to healthcare, makes you a freeloader? In what alternative universe does that even make any sense?
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