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Old 11-07-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Here's the big mistake that Dick Morris and the rest of you make. It doesn't matter what race the candidate is in terms of carrying the minority vote, but it does matter how they stand on issues that are important to those groups. Until the R party understands that part, they will continue to lose. For example, you can't propose giant electric immigrant zapper fences, and then expect to win the Hispanic vote. You can't say that all African Americans are on welfare, and they're only voting for Obama to keep it, and then expect the black middle and professional class to vote for you. Get a clue.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Mount Dora, FL
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Morris is some moron..
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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I had to explain to my 11 year old son last night why it's improper to assume his Language Arts teacher (who is Black) voted for Obama, simply because she is Black. It's hard sometimes teaching your kids proper ettiquette, when you have to lie to them to teach them the proper moral/value.
what lie? do you know the reason the teacher voted for obama or are you assuming?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Who cares what that fool has to say?

My cat could dispense better predictions than him.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I wonder if the Dem would have won had the Republican candidate been Black?
Depends on who the Republican candidate is. Basically, it's ultimately NOT all about race, and race isn't even the primary consideration. For example, if Hillary Clinton were to run in 2016 against ultra conservative Republican Alan Keyes (who is black) for the presidency, blacks would more than likely show up OVERWHELMINGLY for Clinton, thereby snubbing Keyes. Same thing if Clarence Thomas retired from the Supreme Court and ran for president as a Republican. Those black men would be non-starters with the black community. Conclusion- the primary factor is NOT race for the black community. The primary factor, was, is, and will still be which candidate is most in tune with the plight of minorities and which candidate advocates for policies that do more to help propel minorities along the path of economic catch-up to the white majority.

Want to cut federal funding for teachers and just leave it to states and their messed up budgets to struggle to get teachers in position to teach kids well in minority communities- you might not get the black vote. Support cutting Pell Grants for college students, grants which help white students but minority students as well better afford college- you might not get the black vote. Support cutting any and all considerations for racial diversity in college admissions and throw up your hands like "too bad" if it results in college campusses being less and less diverse, results in fewer and fewer blacks attending those colleges- you might not get the black vote. Same as if you supported legislation to significantly reduce Americans' ability to bear arms- you might not get the NRA vote.

So many Romney voters were talking about they want a stronger economy, they want more and better jobs, in other words, increased economic access- so they were voting for the candidate they felt would provide that for them. Blacks are no different. Blacks want increased economic access too, as do Hispanics, as do Asians, so when they hear policies they feel are geared toward delivering that, they lean toward that candidate. When they hear objections and "that's unfair to white people" "those people are not my concern" angry white-man talk, they lean away from that candidate. And if the candidate who promotes greater economic access for them is black, well then that's like getting the Nav system in the Lexus for free. They want the Lexus anyway, but the Nav upgrade for free sweetens the deal. The FREE UPGRADE on the deal already made is where race comes into play for the black community. Getting the same free Nav upgrade on a 1985 Yugo- not so appealing.

So if the Republican candidate in any election is black or any racial minority but is offering the same regressive, angry white-man (see Senator Lindsay Graham's comments) policies pushed again and again by the Republican Party, then no-sale as far as the black community goes, same for the Hispanic community, same for the Asian community.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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My cat could dispense better predictions than him.
or, at the very least, a cat will attempt to bury it's "prediction".
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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who knows, its too early. the repubs will put up a non white though.
Marco Rubio versus the Clintons
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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And what minority do you expect the dems to put up in 2016? I haven't heard a single one suggested.
Patrick Devel or Cory Booker as VP
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Did he suck a sour toe?
This time, he went back to sticking his own foot in his mouth.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:31 PM
 
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In 2016 when there will likely be two white candidates again, the black turnout will be back to '04 levels.
Uh huh. Because white turnout isn't really a function of a declining demographic, and it hasn't really been dropping every cycle since long before 2008.

Uh huh...

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