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I think there's a lot of anti-American bias going on in Europe, especially from Brits. Your previous PM Tony Blair was a carbon copy of Bush when it came to foreign policy, and so was Brown, but hardly anyone complained. My guess is that they were both Labour so the must have had a good reason to be warmongers. Just like the libs here hated Bush for his foreign policy but now suddenly they fell silent with Obama in the big house continuing the same policies of dropping love bombs and humanitarian drone strikes on civilians.
"You must speed some reputation around before giving it to Eion (pronounced Owen) again"
Thank you for the support! But you could really show that support by apologising for some of the rather irreverant comments you've made to our American friends, I'm all for rational discussions - not gut reactions!
This is a good post but please don't label attitudes that don't align with yours as "typically American". Lets acknowledge that Obama won a huge electoral victory and received 3 million more votes than Romney. The 50 million people who helped re-elect him are a diverse bunch amongst themeselves!
Also, Brits do not have a monopoly on facts or rational opinion. Lets not forget that we elected a Conservative party who's economic policies are far more in line with Romney than Obama, and proportionately less people vote in the first place.
We don't mind criticism, but a lot of the so-called criticism that comes from Labour/Lib-Dem voting Brits comes across not as criticism, but as just plain old condescending rants suggesting that we're just too dumb to take care of ourselves and need the British to tell us what to do
This is a good post but please don't label attitudes that don't align with yours as "typically American". Lets acknowledge that Obama won a huge electoral victory and received 3 million more votes than Romney. The 50 million people who helped re-elect him are a diverse bunch amongst themeselves!
Also, Brits do not have a monopoly on facts or rational opinion. Lets not forget that we elected a Conservative party who's economic policies are far more in line with Romney than Obama, and proportionately less people vote in the first place.
You make a fair point, my sole defence would be that in posts where I caveat my answers to my satisfaction, nobody ever reads them! Obama did indeed win a large victory, but largely due to the electoral setup, 3 million votes is a lot of people, but it's not a very big proportion of the American electorate. Nonetheless you're correct that it's a majority, and like previous posters have done I acknowledge Obama's re-election with a mixture of relief and hope.
On your second point, that Brits have a Tory Government more akin to Romney, I was tempted to argue the finer points about Lib-Dem voters like myself who find ourselves sick to the stomach. However I don't wish to appear to disagree with you on the broader point you're making, which is that Brits don't have any greater claim to truth than anyone else. I agree wholeheartedly and if I've appeared to have said otherwise then I apologise.
You make a fair point, my sole defence would be that in posts where I caveat my answers to my satisfaction, nobody ever reads them! Obama did indeed win a large victory, but largely due to the electoral setup, 3 million votes is a lot of people, but it's not a very big proportion of the American electorate. Nonetheless you're correct that it's a majority, and like previous posters have done I acknowledge Obama's re-election with a mixture of relief and hope.
On your second point, that Brits have a Tory Government more akin to Romney, I was tempted to argue the finer points about Lib-Dem voters like myself who find ourselves sick to the stomach. However I don't wish to appear to disagree with you on the broader point you're making, which is that Brits don't have any greater claim to truth than anyone else. I agree wholeheartedly and if I've appeared to have said otherwise then I apologise.
Eoin
It's ok Eoin. You just have to see from our point of view it does get rather tiring being lectured like little children by foreigners who have never lived here, don't have intentions of living here, and are not citizens telling us how our country should be run. I have my opinions on the UK, and on Scotland as you know, but I wouldn't go around constantly telling you guys how to run your country. Likewise, most Americans on here don't do that either.
Of course a sheer ignoramus like you would think that. Also, please stop embarrassing yourself by giving an indication that you have a clue about our political system and go chomp some burgers, praise Jaysuz and go burn more of the ozone layer while driving your NASCAR wannabe pickup truck 0.0000005mpg instead, pi$$ off to the Yankee politics forum / wehateliberalsocialistcommunists instead.
Cheers & toodle pip old chap!
Actually I have a clue about your entire political process. I've studied your parliament and know how it works for the most part. I may not know all the traditions associated with it, but I'm certainly no ignoramus. You also mistake me for a NASCAR fan, I've never watched it nor have any interest in it and I don't go around calling any country to the left of the US as a communist country. I know what communism is, my family lived in East Germany when it still existed, so I don't need you lecturing me
You make a fair point, my sole defence would be that in posts where I caveat my answers to my satisfaction, nobody ever reads them! Obama did indeed win a large victory, but largely due to the electoral setup, 3 million votes is a lot of people, but it's not a very big proportion of the American electorate. Nonetheless you're correct that it's a majority, and like previous posters have done I acknowledge Obama's re-election with a mixture of relief and hope.
On your second point, that Brits have a Tory Government more akin to Romney, I was tempted to argue the finer points about Lib-Dem voters like myself who find ourselves sick to the stomach. However I don't wish to appear to disagree with you on the broader point you're making, which is that Brits don't have any greater claim to truth than anyone else. I agree wholeheartedly and if I've appeared to have said otherwise then I apologise.
Eoin
Not at all. Your posts are very thoughtful and well articulated. I voted Lib Dem in the last election too
Of course a sheer ignoramus like you would think that. Also, please stop embarrassing yourself by giving an indication that you have a clue about our political system and go chomp some burgers, praise Jaysuz and go burn more of the ozone layer while driving your NASCAR wannabe pickup truck 0.0000005mpg instead, pi$$ off to the Yankee politics forum / wehateliberalsocialistcommunists instead.
I think there's a lot of anti-American bias going on in Europe, especially from Brits. Your previous PM Tony Blair was a carbon copy of Bush when it came to foreign policy, and so was Brown, but hardly anyone complained. My guess is that they were both Labour so the must have had a good reason to be warmongers. Just like the libs here hated Bush for his foreign policy but now suddenly they fell silent with Obama in the big house continuing the same policies of dropping love bombs and humanitarian drone strikes on civilians.
Oh God not again. I'm sure we've been over this ground brainwashed.
I'm not just biased against Americans I'm positively rabid. When 1 million marched in the UK against the Iraq War, like me they were motivated purely by a desire to see America downtrodden and defeated. We didn't give a damn then about the nasty little Arabs we were bombing into freedom, and we don't give a damn now. Indeed when Tony Blair was effectively forced to step down as Prime Minister, that was because he felt like playing some more golf, he must have been tired with all the responsibility of being Prime Minister. It had sod all to do with the fact that the country despises him so much he can't go outside in the UK anymore without fear of being subject to a citizens arrest. (1)
You're also bang on the mark that Obama's a warmongering tyrant too! Stupid liberals like me can't see the basic facts of this matter because we're blinded by hatred of America. I mean look at the number of wars Obama's started. Old Bushy only managed 2 within 2 years, and look at that murderous tyrant Obama's record. Makes you sick with the hypocrisy of it all doesn't it?
EDIT: Eoin retroactively admits that the sarcastic nature of this post was unnecessary and remains in place solely for the benefit of context, apologies to unbrainwashed issued below.
Last edited by Eoin (pronounced Owen); 11-10-2012 at 07:55 PM..
Not at all. Your posts are very thoughtful and well articulated. I voted Lib Dem in the last election too
His posts are far better than the usual "yanks are too dumb to realize who they are voting for" that I commonly get from other Brits. At least he spells out and articulates his views, I give him props for that
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