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I agree that they need to ditch the radical social issues, but the evangelical end of the base won't stand for it, and then they might truly see a split where they go off to a third party and divide the conservative vote. As far as fiscal sanity goes--they lost that title. In fact, the parties are in an interesting spot right now, because the D's have moved far enough to the right that they're holding the place that moderate R's used to on economic issues. The republicans can't go back to the middle there and differentiate themselves from the democrats.
I hate to say this, but I think the R's are going to splinter in the next four years--the midterms may do them in--and we'll have to see what happens.
i fear you are right... and I would be part of the evangelical base.... but i am likely a lone voice in the wilderness...
I think it's nuts to say the Ds have moved to the center. trillion dollar deficits per year? spending that is out of control? taking over healthcare? no dems are solidly on the far extreme left. saying that is the middle doesnt make it so.
First of all, Obama set up the war on women before the idiot got stupid with his rape comments. There is no question that republicans need to bash in the political brains of idiot talkers like Akin.
BUT your dishonesty is instructive. It was OBAMA that drove the discussion toward abortion and in some very strange world an accusation that republicans want to take birthcontrol pills away from women.
democrats did a great job of making this election about womens sex organs. your side went least common denominator as much as republicans did.
NO--try googling "personhood legislation." Dozens of republican led state legislatures have introduced those measures, designed to not only outlaw abortion under any circumstance, but as a side consequence outlaw many forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization. Paul Ryan sponsored a similar bill in the US House. The goal was to get it through somewhere as a Supreme Court challenge to Roe. Republicans are the ones who've fought to defund Planned Parenthood, even though no federal funds can be used for abortion. Republicans in Virginia are the ones who tried to pass legislation that required an unnecessary, invasive transvaginal ultrasound if you DO have an abortion. Romney point blank said that he would work to overturn Roe v. Wade if he had a chance, knowing that if elected, he'd probably get to pick two new Supreme Court justices. All of this happened long before Todd Akin--he was just the last straw.
you need to return to the timeline. LOOONG before Akin made those stupid remarks, Repulicans were ambushed in a repulican debate with a question by George Sephanopolis (sp) about birthcontrol pills and if they wanted to restrict it. That was the beginning. After that, dems made this a huge issue.
Savilius issued regulation that forced religious orgs to include BC in their healthcare plans. It was a brilliant move by the left to shift the debate away from anything that matters and onto an innane issue.
DEMS started talking about sex organs. Republicans just acted moronic and fell for the trap.
That base sure helped the last 24 years when their electoral vote totals went into the ditch.
News Flash: The teavangelicals have NOWHERE to go. They will stay GOP, and hold their nose, if someone like Christie is nominated.
Just as the lefties had nowhere to go when Clinton pulled his Sister Soulah routine. It was aimed, and drove the moderate vote to him.
Here's the problem though--evangelicals are one of the fastest growing religious movements in the country, and they make up a big enough percentage of the R base now that I don't know if they can be outvoted by the rest in a primary. It used to be a smaller faction, but it's not anymore.
NO--try googling "personhood legislation." Dozens of republican led state legislatures have introduced those measures, designed to not only outlaw abortion under any circumstance, but as a side consequence outlaw many forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization. Paul Ryan sponsored a similar bill in the US House. The goal was to get it through somewhere as a Supreme Court challenge to Roe. Republicans are the ones who've fought to defund Planned Parenthood, even though no federal funds can be used for abortion. Republicans in Virginia are the ones who tried to pass legislation that required an unnecessary, invasive transvaginal ultrasound if you DO have an abortion. Romney point blank said that he would work to overturn Roe v. Wade if he had a chance, knowing that if elected, he'd probably get to pick two new Supreme Court justices. All of this happened long before Todd Akin--he was just the last straw.
we arent going to agree on this and honestly a liberals opinion is not instructive on what the GOP needs to do. However as a hard right guy, I do agree that there are aspects of this issue that republicans need to abandon if they hope to win more than 208 electoral votes in any upcoming election.
Obama opened the socialist leaning door in 2008, he has won a second term, more women will say to themselves why did I vote "R" the rest can't be too wrong?
The setup is done and unless this country is on the verge of becoming Greece, a dem president we will have for many years to come.
How long can this go on is another story.
The GOP has lost the future at this point because of how the majority thinks and wants.
The GOP are not going to become Democrats or be for HUGE Government.
i fear you are right... and I would be part of the evangelical base.... but i am likely a lone voice in the wilderness...
I think it's nuts to say the Ds have moved to the center. trillion dollar deficits per year? spending that is out of control? taking over healthcare? no dems are solidly on the far extreme left. saying that is the middle doesnt make it so.
The deficit spending was to get us out of a near depression--I'll take back my words if the D's don't try to balance budget cuts with raising revenues (and some new spending for infrastructure and education) as a way to slowly reduce the deficit and stimulate business growth to get us out of this mess. You can't do it all over night or we really will go into a depression. The health care reform we passed was a republican plan--i supported when Bob Dole proposed it. Nothing they've done is extremist, or even all that liberal. Is it liberal compared to eliminating the post office? Yes. Is it liberal compared to the R party of twenty years ago? Not at all.
There is 1 thing I wish they would do, drop the social issues. Whether you think Obama is smart or not, he did something very smart in this election, let republicans, especially tea party wackos talk about social issues for two years. When it came time for the election, Obama simply used their words against them and they couldn't defend it. Akin and Murdock sunk their own campaign simply on abortion and rape.
Why do we even care about Republicans after what they have turned into? People like Huntsman and Christie would have better chances at reshaping the Democratic party into the image they want than they ever will have changing the rotten core of the Republican party. One party of diverse but sane ideas is much better than good men like Romney having to lie repeatedly about his political philosophy to keep his "base" beside him.
we arent going to agree on this and honestly a liberals opinion is not instructive on what the GOP needs to do. However as a hard right guy, I do agree that there are aspects of this issue that republicans need to abandon if they hope to win more than 208 electoral votes in any upcoming election.
I'm not all that liberal. I was a registered R for 30 years, but I'm a moderate. Actually I'm still a registered R, but I voted independent this round.
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