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Ptug, you mention that these counties are the most diverse. Especially in areas like the Denver suburbs and Northern Virginia, suburbs have been getting a lot less white over time. That piece was written by Nate Cohn, a liberal (BTW - your post is a copyright violation).
It's more important to look at who is voting for who than how an entire county or state voted. Suburbs overall did go for Romney narrowly after going for Obama in 2008. Exit polls are clear about who voted for who. Romney even won whites in the Northeast. The GOP does have a problem with the most educated voters, but problems with wealthy whites or problems with middle class whites with Bachelor's degrees are not among them. Now, the margins could be a problem and the margins I do think are a bit lower than they were in the Reagan years, but they are still winning these groups. While they would need to win them by larger margins to win some states, they are clearly winning these groups and the biggest problem for the GOP is minority voters and poor voters, despite the anti-intellectualism in the party.
but it's clear from the results in relatively white counties (80 percent or more) like Jefferson and Larimier, CO, or Delaware, OH, that Obama's big gains over Kerry's performance in well-educated areas aren't just a product of demographic changes
Ptug, those counties are still becoming more diverse....and Obama did worse in most of these counties than in 2008. Romney won Delaware County by a large margin, he won Lake County in Ohio which Obama won in 08, he cut a 9-point margin in Bucks County, PA to I think 2 or so, etc. Romney made the biggest gains compared to McCain among wealthy and better educated whites (as well as young whites, ironically). Obama did just as well as in 2008 among the poor and the less educated. Again, I'm not denying the GOP has some problems with certain white voters, but I'm also saying that they are clearly winning this group and that liberal hate doesn't change that.
Regardless I suggest you cut your previous post down and this one and post a link or I will report you for violating the TOS. You are allowed three sentences from the article.
Ptug, those counties are still becoming more diverse....and Obama did worse in most of these counties than in 2008. Romney won Delaware County by a large margin, he won Lake County in Ohio, Bucks County in PA (both of which Obama won in 2008), etc. Romney made the biggest gains compared to McCain among the wealthy and the better educated (as well as the young, ironically). Obama did just as well as in 2008 among the poor and the less educated. Again, I'm not denying the GOP has some problems with certain white voters, but I'm also saying that they are clearly winning this group and that liberal hate doesn't change that.
Regardless I suggest you cut your previous post down and this one and post a link or I will report you for violating the TOS. You are allowed three lines from the article.
They are 80% white there is no way Obama could carry a state like Iowa or NH with Minority voters
They are 80% white there is no way Obama could carry a state like Iowa or NH with Minority voters
Obama won the white vote in about 10 states or so.
Obama did win whites in Iowa and NH, but they are much more than 80% white or even 90% white. He actually lost whites in WI yet still won the state by ~6.5 or so I think (and, yes, Romney won voters with Bachelor's degrees in WI).
Let's look at some examples of some other non-southern states:
Romney and Obama tied among whites in New York. In New York, Obama got just 58% of voters with Bachelor's degrees even though he won well over 60% overall.
Obama won whites in Connecticut narrowly, but he actually won just 49% of voters with Bachelor's degrees in the state.
Romney did consistently far better among the wealthy than among the poor, even in non-southern states that are 90%+ white where there were exit polls.
The GOP's problem is primarily minorities. It does have problems among whites with postgraduate education, but not with Bachelor's degrees. When you look into it further, the problems are actually the most among whites with postgraduate education who are middle income and not so much those who are higher income. Also, when you look into it further, the poorest whites are actually the most likely to vote Democrat (though nationally and definitely in southern states and across Appalachia low income whites do lean Republican).
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No doubt he's concerned about your endorsement. But you're playing hard to get, you little tease.
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And he got, what, 90% of the votes he got in 2008?
He got millions more than your boy Romney, who's been kind of a bitter fool about the whole thing after giving that excellent concession speech on election night. He's only good reading someone else's words, because his own are always condescending put-downs of all of us who weren't wise enough to be born into families of millionaires.
Lots of Americans noticed that. Refer to November 6th.
Generation Y contributed significantly to Obama's win. As they mature, the group as a whole will steer right. The Millennials coming behind aren't as numerous. The GOP may be in a slump, but they're far from "over."
Generation Y contributed significantly to Obama's win. As they mature, the group as a whole will steer right. The Millennials coming behind aren't as numerous. The GOP may be in a slump, but they're far from "over."
Actually, 18-29 year old whites went for Romney by 7. While this is a good sign in and of itself, it really makes why the Republicans lost 18-29 year olds overall by 21 a bigger problem.
The GOP's problem with young voters, more than stances on social issues which could be changed (or that young voters care less about as they get older) or more than young voters not being as wealthy as older voters, is that they are disproportionately minority.
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