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We need to ask buzzards about that. He was on the ground in Ohio w/Obama campaign to the end. NYT reader reported 200,000 provisional ballots in black districts - very doubtful those will ever be counted. Buzzards has knowledge on that issue, as well.
Rove steals elections. He always has. I'd always assumed Obama people knew this. Nonetheless, this is why the huge emphasis on turnout - to overcome the vote flipping - which has been going on for a good long while, now. There are even lawsuits on the issue.
Any valid provisional ballot "envelope" will be opened and the ballots counted. I expect to see the Obama margin to grow a little, most provisionals were cast by dems that either were in the wrong polling place (lots of precincts were changed or eliminated becuz of redistricting), no photo id or new registrations that didn't make the book for some reason. 25% or more may not be opened becuz of voter errors on the envelope.
I believe a good part of the state is touch screen, but it is up to each county.
Astonishing how quickly the gullible will believe "anonymous."
Rove could only dream of such power.
I think what makes this seem plausible to many people is the reaction Rove had when he learned Romney lost Ohio. He looked positively incredulous--he simply could not believe it. While I have serious reservations about the "anonymous" allegations that Rove tried to steal the election, I do think Rove was so confident the count was wrong because he had bought and paid for Ohio, and was furious that the voters "stole" what, in his mind, he rightfully owned.
I think what makes this seem plausible to many people is the reaction Rove had when he learned Romney lost Ohio. He looked positively incredulous--he simply could not believe it. While I have serious reservations about the "anonymous" allegations that Rove tried to steal the election, I do think Rove was so confident the count was wrong because he had bought and paid for Ohio, and was furious that the voters "stole" what, in his mind, he rightfully owned.
He was pretty much disorientated when he realized Romney was losing. He was delusional to think he had a chance at that point. So, I would not be surprised if the allegations are true. What a piece of shhhh...
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And how curious that Ohio apparently experienced server problems at 11 PM; the same problem that occurred around the same time in 2004! If any of this is true, it would be a fitting end to "turd blossom" and the current GOP cesspool...
Astonishing how quickly the gullible will believe "anonymous."
Rove could only dream of such power.
If Anonymous releases its files to Wikileaks, we will all be able to read them for ourselves. Of course, a person will have to know how to read and interpret all the hackerese and understand all the internet source stuff.
The FBI has plenty of folks who understand all that, so we will just have to wait and see what develops. So far, Anonymous has not bragged about anything that they didn't accomplish.
If it all proves to be true, how ironic is it that a bunch of vigilante hackers saved us from a fraudulent election? At any rate, the blossom is off the turd these days. There is an old saying among paid professional campaign advisors that there is no failure. Karl is the living proof that there is always an exception.
Depending on the three states involved, if there were only three, Obama would have won, anyway. It needed to be FL, VA and PA. Even if Rove had hacked VA, FL, and Ohio, by my reckoning Obama would have won with 270.
I believe this story. Romneys and Rove were far too certain of a win. Of course, I'd been reading Nate Silver for three months, so I thought they knew what we all knew and were just bluffing. So surprised to learn they actually believed what they were saying.
If Anonymous is correct, it also reinforces the theory that Bush stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections.
In both of those elections, Karl Rove was involved.
In both of those elections, very strange results occurred in states using electronic voting systems, including Ohio and Florida.
In Ohio in 2004, it was believed that a simple database program like Microsoft Access could have easily been used to swap Kerry and Bush's final tally in the DIEBOLD GEMS election results database, and leave no trace or log of this event. Programmers proved how easy it could be done.
Below is a website I found which lists many of the election issues that occurred in Ohio in 2004:
High-tech vote fraud: A law suit filed by Clifford Arnebeck (who has worked for many years with Common Cause) charges that at least 130,656 votes were removed from John Kerry’s tally and added to George Bush’s vote total via high-tech means. Is this really possible? Actually, it is easy. Cell phone technology can be used to alter votes in optical scan readers. A hacker could also dial in via modem to theWindows-based PC’s that tabulate votes from optical scan, punch card, and touchscreen voting systems. After connecting to the computer they could easily alter the candidate totals in the Microsoft Access database.
I also remember this "supposed" terrorist threat which barred Reporters from observing the election counts in one Ohio County in 2004:
Quote:
Warren County Lockdown May Have Enabled High-Tech Vote Fraud: According to Representative John Conyer’s letter to Kenneth Blackwell (12/2), on election night, Warren County locked down its administration building and barred reporters from observing the counting. When that decision was questioned, County officials claimed they were responding to a terrorist threat that ranked “10” on a scale of 1 to 10, and that this information was received from an FBI agent. Despite repeated requests, County officials have declined to name that agent, however, and the FBI has stated that they have no information about a terror threat in Warren County.
I'm hoping this "Anonymous" story results in a complete investigation into Karl Rove.
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