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Old 11-26-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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Originally Posted by Rosinante View Post
Romney lost because he didn't promise voters any free stuff. There's just too much pond scum out there looking for a free ride.

Here's a few questions for YOU. Do you believe term limits for the presidency should be eliminated? Would you vote to enable Barack Hussein Obama to become POTUS permanently? Would you be satisfied if Obama could select his successor?


 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Pa
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TinMan you are laughable.. Rural communities rely on AGRICULTURE.. Which is more dependent than anything on FEDERAL subsidies which comes from TAXDOLLARS and GOVERNMENT MONEY... I'm from Kansas and realize how idiotic this state is when it bashes large government because it sure would not survive without it.. And it likes adding laws about what should be legal and not legal in your bedroom too... No wonder Republicans may not win a major election for a decade or more..
Laughable is assuming that all rual americans or even the majority are farmers. Laughable is assuming that all rual americans buy produce and or meat from said farmers.
Yes (Some) farmers enjoy Fed subsidies. Many do not. That is but one demension of the Rual community.
You come from Kansas so what. I come from Wyoming and now live in Pa. Both have huge rual areas. Tell the small dairy farmer how much the fed has helped him and he will say they give with one hand and take with the other. The Fed limits the price of milk to 1980's pricing at the farm level. If the fed is going to do this then the fed needs to pony up because they didn't fix the price of fuel or equipment to match.
By the way what did Obama offer the farmer that the GOP didn't? If you will recall Obama spoke volumes about Rual americans in 08. Small town americans cling to guns and religion. Not meant as a compliment. Of course he was speaking to a crowd of elitists who seemed to enjoy the comment at rual america's expense.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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I keep hearing all about America being a center right nation, how the conservative views of the Republican party are more in tune to the views of most Americans, how Obama was just too liberal for this country blah blah blah. If this is true, and Republicans hold the lock on America's moral compass, then why did you lose an election that you should have been able to win? And it wasn't a squeaker, you were soundly defeated!

I have to admit, all the anti Obama screaming and the tea party wave got me, as a liberal, kind of scared. I thought, "Maybe Obama has overstepped his bounds, maybe the progressive vision I have is considered an overreach by most people, maybe the US really is a center right country." My suspicions were not warranted. The radical Marxist Kenyan Socialist was reelected easily and his Democratic minions gained seats in the senate.

So I hope many of you who have been screeching for the past four years have seen the writing on the wall. Maybe you're the ones in the minority now, and maybe there's a new silent majority that's more progressive than you'd like to believe.
Before this election I believed we were a center right country. I accepted the idea that 47% of the population expected handouts from the government and that conservatism still had a chance.

afterwards I don’t believe that any longer. We are a center left/left country and there are about 45% of Americans that do NOT expect handouts from the government.

I am sure you and yours are celebrating. your side killed the American Rugged Individualist. I however am mourning the loss.

And there has NEVER been anything silent about your whining progressive buddies. Progressives have long whinned about everything and anything. you protest and fill parks with your dirty tents and you poop on cop cars and dont bath and get in the way. But you won. enjoy.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Centrists win. Obama is a centrist to all but the extremists. Romney is a centrist too, but he did not act like one so that he could get the nomination. Romney tried to re-become a centrist late in the election, but his move was too late and too confusing. The most centrist centrist won. They always do.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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clearly America doesnt support the republican platform. That does not mean the republican platform is wrong.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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TinMan you are laughable.. Rural communities rely on AGRICULTURE.. Which is more dependent than anything on FEDERAL subsidies which comes from TAXDOLLARS and GOVERNMENT MONEY... I'm from Kansas and realize how idiotic this state is when it bashes large government because it sure would not survive without it.. And it likes adding laws about what should be legal and not legal in your bedroom too... No wonder Republicans may not win a major election for a decade or more..
This is very true. Cities may rely heavily on tax dollars to maintain infrastructure, but there are enough taxpayers and big businesses there to pay back about as much as they get from the government. Rural areas rely heavily on an economy that constantly has to be propped up by federal tax dollars. That's why I don't buy the whole "rural self reliance" business. Culturally, they may rely more on neighbors and charity to maintain a strong community, but when it comes to business, they literally live off of the government.

A good example is the 1988 election. Bush won big on his message of small government, but the farm belt was one of his worst regions of the country. The midwest and great plains regions had been through a really bad drought and the farmers there voted for the guy they knew would shell out more federal money to help them, and that guy was Michael Dukakis. Dukakis, who lost by 8 points, was competitive in states like the Dakotas and Kansas in a way Obama can only dream about.

And the GOP senators and congressmen from these states are some of the biggest providers of pork in Washington.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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Before this election I believed we were a center right country. I accepted the idea that 47% of the population expected handouts from the government and that conservatism still had a chance.

afterwards I don’t believe that any longer. We are a center left/left country and there are about 45% of Americans that do NOT expect handouts from the government.

I am sure you and yours are celebrating. your side killed the American Rugged Individualist. I however am mourning the loss.

And there has NEVER been anything silent about your whining progressive buddies. Progressives have long whinned about everything and anything. you protest and fill parks with your dirty tents and you poop on cop cars and dont bath and get in the way. But you won. enjoy.
Yes, it's a well known fact that every Obama voter has pooped on a police car at least once in their lives. It's actually a requirement to sign up for his emails.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Population density.
Cities voted overwhelmingly Obama. Rual America for Romney. Different needs and priorities.
City dwellers rely much heavier on the gov than rual people.
Rual folks often provide their own water, sewage and garbage removal. WE have less need for large expensive police, fire and sanitation depts.
The bottom line is Rual Americans enjoy much fewer Gov programs. That makes Obama less desirable.
I don't mean any of the above as a condemnation of city people just stating the facts. Rual people due to the nature of the lives we have chosen rely less on the fed. Most Cities would go bust without Fed dollars to keep them floating.
True, except for the line I bolded.
I was born and raised on an Idaho farm/ranch. Every farmer and rancher I know, or have ever known, has depended on federal subsidies, disaster relief, government loans, and other assistance at various times. I know many farmers who have lived their lifetimes on their subsidies and other freebies.

All the little towns that live on the farms that surround them also depend on federal assistance just as much as the farmers. The veneer of rural self-sufficiency is a nice belief, but is very thin. If it was ripped away, a lot of farmers would walk away from their farmsteads.

I have no problem with the subsidies, except that the huge corporations that have taken over American agriculture and livestock production also receive even more them, and in bigger amounts, than a family farm.

The billionaire who drives to work in a limousine and wears a custom-made suit is no different from the billionaire who drives to work in a pickup and wears a pair of blue jeans. They both make sure they get the biggest slice of the pie before anyone else does.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Romney lost because he didn't promise voters any free stuff. There's just too much pond scum out there looking for a free ride.

Here's a few questions for YOU. Do you believe term limits for the presidency should be eliminated? Would you vote to enable Barack Hussein Obama to become POTUS permanently? Would you be satisfied if Obama could select his successor?
Lady, you just got smacked by the crazy train.
Obama will serve out his second term and retire. The world as we know it will not end, and America will never have a permanent President.
 
Old 11-26-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Centrists win. Obama is a centrist to all but the extremists. Romney is a centrist too, but he did not act like one so that he could get the nomination. Romney tried to re-become a centrist late in the election, but his move was too late and too confusing. The most centrist centrist won. They always do.
Centrists take years to evolve, it is practiced everyday in what a person does and how they act and react, a centrist is not born overnight, as willard tried to do. To be a centrist, one must take the position as such their entire life. Many in the GOP couldn't stand the man, he swayed any way the wind was blowing at any given time, someone called willard a weather vane here in the forum, they pegged that description of him perfectly.

Obama is a pragmatist, and not a centrist.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pragmatism

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Lady, you just got smacked by the crazy train.
Obama will serve out his second term and retire. The world as we know it will not end, and America will never have a permanent President.
Must be the tea.

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