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Considering how braindead the current president is, any jokes about future president's IQ's fall flat. Even Fred Thompson looks bright standing next to W.
Ahhhhh lighten up! It's a joke!
BUT since you brought it up, it's amazing that you like to knock W. as being so stupid when good old Kerry went to the same university, had some of the same teachers and got WORSE marks than Bush! It isn't that he's stupid, he's a terrible speach maker. Kerry on the other hand, much like both Clintons is a polished speaker. In other words, no matter how much they spread the BS, it sounds great! and liberals just love being taken by them all! THERE's the REAL joke!
Considering how braindead the current president is, any jokes about future president's IQ's fall flat. Even Fred Thompson looks bright standing next to W.
Sorry but topic of the forum is Hillary.. please stay on topic.
Ahhhhh lighten up! It's a joke!
BUT since you brought it up, it's amazing that you like to knock W. as being so stupid when good old Kerry went to the same university, had some of the same teachers and got WORSE marks than Bush! It isn't that he's stupid, he's a terrible speach maker. Kerry on the other hand, much like both Clintons is a polished speaker. In other words, no matter how much they spread the BS, it sounds great! and liberals just love being taken by them all! THERE's the REAL joke!
Really. All you Hillary supporters please tell me why you would vote for her. Please be specific! What exactly are her qualifications? Was it because she was married to a president?
Because she 'stood by her man'. And with a smile on her face at that. There's nothing 'merikans like more than family values.
Ahhhhh lighten up! It's a joke!
BUT since you brought it up, it's amazing that you like to knock W. as being so stupid when good old Kerry went to the same university, had some of the same teachers and got WORSE marks than Bush! It isn't that he's stupid, he's a terrible speach maker.
A big correction - Bush doesn't make speeches - he doesn't make anything. All he literally has to do is read words as they appear in the teleprompter - words which are even custom-tailored to be written phonetically since he is such a lousy reader. People knock George because of the obvious. Even the junior employees of the company I work for... heck even the high school kids I debated over 15 years ago could present better than him - and without a script (much less an ivy league or prep. school education )!
Most people see the ability to present and debate well as a form of demonstrable intelligence (perhaps you do not, each to their own I say). Even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he needed practice to get better... one would think that by his 7th year in office (and 30th+ year in politics) that he could read and articulate better than he does today. He just has to stand there and read aloud... I sit and read to my kids every night... LOL, it's not hard to become good at it! (and I throw in sound effects and character-specific accents too!)
That was a major digression though - back to the OP's question - I have yet to see anyone else write a list of reasons why Hillary is so well supported right now. Inarguably she certainly articulates her thoughts better than Bush and several of her running mates (dem or rep) - you need to give that one to her for sure. While others have all stumbled repeatedly with foot-in-the-mouth syndrome, she seems to be much less afflicted with that problem.
Now if someone wants to talk about her accomplishments vs her running mates (dem or rep), then that is definitely worth doing. I don't think any of the presidential candidates have a long list today (I suspect just 1 or 2 bullets at most)... but going back to Clinton and George W, can you state that either of them had long lists themselves (not much comes to my mind)?
I have this feeling that pre-president most of the candidates don't talk too much about a long list of accomplishments because quite frankly, there's very little that as a Senator or Governor or even NY city mayor, that one can claim to have been "all their doing" and which is also groundbreaking and tremendously impactful... instead I think it is fairly obvious that other than voting record on the major issues most important to you, and the respect garnered from having been in Congress or in some sort of political theatre without major scandel to ruin your name there isn't much else to go on except gut feeling - as a citizen you must question yourself... how do you feel about the current candidates?
Personally when I hear Bush talk I believe I'm listening to someone who is so accustomed to presenting himself as a common-joe that he finds it hard to get out of that mode when he needs to articulate well. Also so accustomed to being surrounded by people who tell him what to say or do regarding particular issues that he doesn't know or remember why he should be stating something. Lastly someone so hard hit reputation-wise by the Iraq war that he's just as anxious to leave the White House as most Democrats are to see him leave.
When I hear Hillary talk, I hear someone who has a tremendous grasp of why she should or should not say certain things - and the mental acuity to prevent herself from speaking out of step in public. I also believe that she is running for office not just to gain power or ego, but because she really thinks she can do a better job than any of the other candidates running. Seriously folks... she has all the money she could ever need (more than we'll ever see published via inheritance and no doubt at least one numbered foreign account set up via her husband and the previous political activities they've been involved in the last 30 years), she has all the political influence she could ever want, her daughter is set for life with or without politics, and she is reaching the final decades of her life... those of you who think there's some sort of major power or ego-grabbing thing going on I question if you're just wasting your mental energy or being unjustifiably paranoid.
I don't like that she seems to be in the pocket of multinational corporate interests, nor do I like that she is so darned scripted and careful about what she says... I also don't agree with her stances regarding immigration, h1-b's/outsourcing, and I question her husband's record regarding China and wonder if we've seen preview of similar activities with India which might hurt the US middle class. But that wasn't the point of this thread... I was trying to point out positives.
Lastly, regarding those photos posted earlier in the thread. Your point is well taken. But... regarding Waco... that had nothing to do with Clinton nor with terrorists... the same for the OK City bombing... those two events were via home grown nut cases in the US. Regarding the Aspirin Factory incident... LOL it's funny but I don't even recollect that event... but upon reading about it, it wasn't an act of terrorism against the US... it was a proactive single incident in which the US attacked a suspected terrorist factory... hardly a great disturbance of peace and major loss of life that the Iraq War has presented the US with (the owner of the factory was reimbursed years later for the damage caused - which to me assumes that the US govt took responsibility for a mistake - major oops sending a cruise missile through your window - sorry about that - LOL). Regarding the first WTC attack... well we didn't know that was a preview of things to come BUT... under Clinton's leadership the participants and mastermind were caught and convicted... yeap - and indeed in the grand scheme of things the event didn't take a lot of lives did it? So what are you left with... Kosovo (which was a screwed up NATO situation) and Sudan and the USS Cole... three terrible situations, but ones which hardly compare to actual wars such as the 1st and 2nd Iraq wars the Bush's initiated (Ok I admit that is subjective - but it's not like during Clinton's presidency we were losing thousands of American lives (or even hundreds) to declared questionably motivated wars without clear outcome goals - that was my initial point).
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Today On This Week, She admitted getting and reading classified documents.
While in the White House as Bill’s Wife
Truth is;
She did not attend any daily briefings, had no security clearance. If as she states on “This week” she was briefed or read classified information while Bill’s wife, without a security clearance, she broke the law http://www.abcnews.go.com/thisweek
Is this why they wont release her white house records…. Statute of limitations hasn’t run out?
Its the name game, People think the name will make the person. The same thing with George Bush, People vote for the past and think it will be ok but it never is. Hillary has the name Clinton. Did she do anything for NY? Should she be running for the presidency due to her name? Look at Bush, dad had the same war but its not dad at the wheel this time. Just as it won't be Bill.
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Reason: you're right, but I took care of it
Bill did a great job for 8 years and Im pretty sure Hillery picked up a lot of experience in the WH just listening to heads of state.
Besides she a female, its time to see what a women can do in the WH,I mean come on who the hell can be worst the G.Bush.
The guys in D.C. have screwed up this country long enough,time to see what a women can do.
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Bill did a great job for 8 years and Im pretty sure Hillery picked up a lot of experience in the WH just listening to heads of state.
Besides she a female, its time to see what a women can do in the WH,I mean come on who tyhe hell can be worst the G.Bush.
I think a women would be a great president. Just not this one! Let's put Rice in there.
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