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Old 03-23-2013, 05:42 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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OK I looked it up and was surprised to see that Santorum did win the popular vote in 11 states. But Romney won it in 42, so 42-11 is not very competitive. Nonetheless stand corrected and I retract my comment of "tanked" and substitute "was not competitive."
glad you saw the error of your ways. but you are still misguided.

Romney won the plurality of Delegates in 42 states(and territories), he only won the popular vote in 37. leaving 20 where he did not win.

Also Rick Santorum suspended his campaign on April 10th, before the primaries were over with, . Mitt Romney won 20 states after that date.


On April 24th, Connecticut , Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island

April, 28th Louisiana

May 8th North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia

May 15th Oregon

May 22nd Arkansas, Kentucky

May 29th Texas

June 5th California, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Dakota

June 10th Nebraska

June 16th Montana

june 26th Utah

So in reality, when Santorum dropped out, it was only 17 to 11.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Republican Primary Map - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com

Santorum won 11 states (including MO), Gingrich 2, and Romney won the rest.

Another good gauge to use is the primary polling, in particular the RCP interactive graph.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

If you drag the cursor across the graph you can see that Santorum was on top for 2 weeks in Feb 2012. For the vast bulk of the race he was well down in the rankings, in fact he was under 5% for all of 2011.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:53 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Good thread ... a lot of interesting things to read. I confess I knew nothing about "Frothy" Santorum's wife's pre-marital affairs. Really, it's not our business, but it is juicy!
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:16 AM
 
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Well, that is patently false. Nita is not a loser; she won $500.
Oh, the irony.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:18 AM
 
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glad you saw the error of your ways. but you are still misguided.

Romney won the plurality of Delegates in 42 states(and territories), he only won the popular vote in 37. leaving 20 where he did not win.

Also Rick Santorum suspended his campaign on April 10th, before the primaries were over with, . Mitt Romney won 20 states after that date.


On April 24th, Connecticut , Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island
April, 28th Louisiana
May 8th North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia
May 15th Oregon
May 22nd Arkansas, Kentucky
May 29th Texas
June 5th California, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Dakota
June 10th Nebraska
June 16th Montana
june 26th Utah

So in reality, when Santorum dropped out, it was only 17 to 11.
Makes one wonder why he dropped out.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:03 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Republican Primary Map - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com

Santorum won 11 states (including MO), Gingrich 2, and Romney won the rest.

Another good gauge to use is the primary polling, in particular the RCP interactive graph.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - 2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

If you drag the cursor across the graph you can see that Santorum was on top for 2 weeks in Feb 2012. For the vast bulk of the race he was well down in the rankings, in fact he was under 5% for all of 2011.
As i have been trying to point out, it isnt as simple as simply looking at who is on top of a poll. Santorum name was not even on the Ballot in 4 states(and a couple of the territories), he placed 2nd in 15 states. It was a competitive race.

2011 polling does not matter, there was not a single primary held in that year.

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Makes one wonder why he dropped out.
He dropped out because his momentum started far to late. If he had won Georgia and South Carolina, im sure that race would have dragged on till atleast late may.

Romney had enough of a lead to where it was not possible for Santorum to get the nomination,and sense the delegates are proportional for most states, All Romney had to do was place second in ever race to keep his lead. however, he(santorum) could have forced a floor fight. with a bunch of rural states on the horizon and then Texas, he could have made a big plash.
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:12 AM
 
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He dropped out because his momentum started far to late. If he had won Georgia and South Carolina, im sure that race would have dragged on till at least late may.

Romney had enough of a lead to where it was not possible for Santorum to get the nomination,and sense the delegates are proportional for most states, All Romney had to do was place second in ever race to keep his lead. however, he(santorum) could have forced a floor fight. with a bunch of rural states on the horizon and then Texas, he could have made a big plash.
Mittens very well could have maintained his lead but he may not have received enough delegates to win out right. After the 2nd or 3rd vote delegates can change their vote at the convention.
Word on the street was the repubs were attacking each other during the debates and it was making the party look bad. No dem primary for President so nothing to see there as far as controversy.
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Old 03-24-2013, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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As i have been trying to point out, it isnt as simple as simply looking at who is on top of a poll. Santorum name was not even on the Ballot in 4 states(and a couple of the territories), he placed 2nd in 15 states. It was a competitive race.

2011 polling does not matter, there was not a single primary held in that year.....
Because there was no primary in 2011 it does not follow that 2011 polling "does not matter." Running for prez is now at least a 20 month proposition, if not more.

You're ignoring that Santorum got a ton of slings and arrows from econ conservatives over his spending record as US Senator. Note that when he dropped, Romney was out-polling Santorum by 39-27, with Santorum trending downwards.

Thinking back to CD threads back then, it was mainly lefty posters who were touting Santorum. I think this thread is just an extension of that phenomenon.
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