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Youth and charisma kicked the living bejeesus out of Hillary's age and experience in 2008.
It could happen again in the primaries, let alone if the republicans can muster up someone that doesn't look like their name is Chauncey and grew up watching black and white TV.
The last 20+ years of presidents have ALL been younger and at least somewhat hip (clinton, obama) or folksy (bush). Even Reagan had a charm and communicating abilty etc. that belied his age....like Bill Clinton now.
Who lost? Old stiff white guys.
Gore, Kerry, Romney, McCain etc.
If Hillary had 1/2 her husbands charisma she'd have been president in 2008. Voters are shallow.
That wasn't why Hilary lost. I don't think the country was ready for another Clinton after the Bill controversies--it was too soon--and that's why lots of Democrats got behind Obama. They were afraid that independents would go toward McCain (that was the thinking before he picked Palin at least, who was a disaster and helped the D's tremendously) if she ran at that point in time. By 2016 Bill Clinton will have been out of office for 16 years, Hilary had a successful stint as Sec. of State, and it will be a different situation for her.
I think the same thing goes for Jeb Bush. It will be 8 years after the last Bush administration. The other factor is that Jeb is a very different candidate than Hilary was a the same point in time--he's well liked, he has a ton of experience, he can appeal to moderates as well as the far right end of the party, and most important of all, the money guys will get behind him in a major way. I think Chris Christie could be a serious contender too if he loses weight, and if the far right end of the party will get behind him. He has a wonderful, self deprecating sense of humor that appeals to lots of people, and he comes across as reasonable and willing to actually lead the country vs. foster partisan fights. As for the rest of the people the OP listed--the far right end of the R party loves them, but the middle would vote D if Ryan, Rubio or Paul got the nomination. Rubio might have trouble with the far right after his immigration reform work, but he won't carry the middle because of his stands on other issues.
That wasn't why Hilary lost. I don't think the country was ready for another Clinton after the Bill controversies--it was too soon--and that's why lots of Democrats got behind Obama. They were afraid that independents would go toward McCain (that was the thinking before he picked Palin at least, who was a disaster and helped the D's tremendously) if she ran at that point in time. By 2016 Bill Clinton will have been out of office for 16 years, Hilary had a successful stint as Sec. of State, and it will be a different situation for her.
I think the same thing goes for Jeb Bush. It will be 8 years after the last Bush administration. The other factor is that Jeb is a very different candidate than Hilary was a the same point in time--he's well liked, he has a ton of experience, he can appeal to moderates as well as the far right end of the party, and most important of all, the money guys will get behind him in a major way. I think Chris Christie could be a serious contender too if he loses weight, and if the far right end of the party will get behind him. He has a wonderful, self deprecating sense of humor that appeals to lots of people, and he comes across as reasonable and willing to actually lead the country vs. foster partisan fights. As for the rest of the people the OP listed--the far right end of the R party loves them, but the middle would vote D if Ryan, Rubio or Paul got the nomination. Rubio might have trouble with the far right after his immigration reform work, but he won't carry the middle because of his stands on other issues.
If you are right about Hillary, why did she do so well in the beginning, almost wrapping the nomination up? Then, this young, black, attractive man comes along. He has a young family, charisma the she does not have and away he ran. Being Clinton's wife certainly didn't help, but I doubt it did any serious damage. As for Rubio and Christie, how can you say, Christie stands a chance but the right will not support Rubio because of his immigration stand? Do you have a clue how Christie feels about immigration? He does come across as being able to work with both sides, but he lacks class and that could hurt him.
It's the Democrats who still represent the lowest form of the "old politics" -- and I believe that, as with the rise of Margaret Thatcher in the sinkhole of British Socialism, there are enough people who still play by the rules to coalesce against them.
I don't think so. I tend to think of "old politics" as the FDR coalition which is very dead at this point since the GOP got white southerners and the white working class. The issue the Republicans have to cope with is the Obama coalition of religious, sexual orientation and racial minorities, single people esp. single women, the highly educated, and young people. I don't think they have figured out how to crack that coalition yet and they are going to have a rough time of it until they figure out how to crack that coalition.
How ludicrous it is for someone to assume that youth on the GOP ticket somehow erases the incredible stench that is the Conservative ideology. What Republicans believe is NOT good for this country. Republicans turn surpluses into record deficits, make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell, and promote racial discrimination. The most bigoted, racially-insensitive, culturally-ignorant people in this country support the GOP. The changing demographics in this country doom the GOP.
Republicans in Congress continue to embarrass the GOP. They contribute only to the problems they created under Bush, not work with this President to implement the President's superior solutions. They have created the "Congress from hell." Any current Republican who supported this nonsense, or supported the tea party, or who acquiesced, has no business considering a presidential run. It would be a waste of time. This includes every Republican previously mentioned in this thread.
I notice Paul Ryan's name keeps coming up. Paul Ryan hasn't a chance in hell of winning the presidency. His economic plans are atrocious, irrational, disastrous, and unpopular. In predictable fashion, his entrance into the presidential race decimated the hell out of Romney's already joke campaign. He accelerated the demise of the ticket and it was funny watching he and Romney deluding themselves as if they had a chance.
Rubio, Paul, Christie, Palin, Santorum, and so forth, are all jokes. Unless the GOP completely scraps its ideology, and recreates itself to essentially become Democrats, no chance in hell of winning the 2016 election. Many Conservatives know this, which is why they're desperately trying to perpetuate scandal after scandal in an attempt to deceive the American public into thinking that the way of the Democrat is far worse than the atrocious way of the Republican. They fear Hillary, so they attack her. Republicans can't win on their own merits because their plans offend the sensibilities of most Americans, and DON'T WORK. Making the rich richer, attacking sovereign nations unprovoked to "spread democracy" while this country bleeds to death, causing every domestic category to go into crisis mode, is NOT the way to run this country.
Youth on the GOP ticket in 2016 is still a losing ticket because the GOP ideology reeks.
A lot can change in 3 years but at this time I would say the GOP cannot win unless Christie is their nominee.
Is this because you are not a Republican supporter but might support a more centrist Republican or are you basing your statement on stands the more active, younger, possible Republican candidates have made? Other than maybe Hillary, who do you think, on the Democrat side would be able to win? I have to admit, I am always amused when a person makes a blank statement without giving any reason.
A lot can change in 3 years but at this time I would say the GOP cannot win unless Christie is their nominee.
I doubt even Christie could win. The 65 million people who put Obama in office are so wed to the government that they will be voting Democrat to keep their government benefits and punish the eee-vil Republicans. These people aren't going anywhere, unfortunately, therefore there is no non-Democrat who can win a national race.
The entitlement class now has the numbers, and I don't expect anyone but a Democrat will ever win again - until the economy truly collapses under the weight of debt and unsustainable government largess.
The only glimmer of hope is the fact that 30 states have Republican governors who are by and large making state government smaller. Federalism will slow the decline for a bit, hopefully long enough for me to live out my years before the damage wrought by Obama and the American left really hits.
I doubt even Christie could win. The 65 million people who put Obama in office are so wed to the government that they will be voting Democrat to keep their government benefits and punish the eee-vil Republicans. These people aren't going anywhere, unfortunately, therefore there is no non-Democrat who can win a national race.
The entitlement class now has the numbers, and I don't expect anyone but a Democrat will ever win again - until the economy truly collapses under the weight of debt and unsustainable government largess.
The only glimmer of hope is the fact that 30 states have Republican governors who are by and large making state government smaller. Federalism will slow the decline for a bit, hopefully long enough for me to live out my years before the damage wrought by Obama and the American left really hits.
Not everyone there Trace. I'm one of those 65 mil you seem to know so much about. I don't have my hand out, in fact, I'm a small business owner that actually employs people. And yet, I'm sure you see me as one of those system working, food stamp grabbing, welfare collecting "democrats". And here's more fuel for your "entitlement class" theory. I would vote for Christie regardless of his party, as I believe he would make a good, no nonsense president, that WOULD work on behalf of the best interesets of the country first, party second. Keep excluding him from the GOP. Great idea. I could care less his party affiliation. Hint, hint...
There are far more people out there like me then you could imagine. We just don't make such a big deal about a Marine holding an umbrella over the head of the President.
Oh, and I'm alot better off today than I was in 2007/08. A lot, and would still vote across party lines for the best candidate. You following me?
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The Republican ideology is too repulsive
Making the rich richer, attacking sovereign nations unprovoked to "spread democracy" while this country bleeds to death, causing every domestic category to go into crisis mode, is NOT the way to run this country.
