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Old 06-04-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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If a law existed that prevented Christians from getting married would you think that is a serious issue worthy of attention?

I think the only reason that you minimize the importance of equality for homosexuals is because you don't feel that they deserve equal rights and also because you aren't personally affected.
In a national election with all the problems facing us, it would not affect my vote. You must have missed most of my posts: I support gay rights 100%. So before you tell me how I feel read my posts for heavens sake!!!! I have a gay foster daughter, a lot of gay associates, I had a gay boss till I retired at the end of last year, I had gay clients. So you have nothing to base you opinion of me on: you know absolutely nothing about me. I am only basing an opinion on what I see as major issues in 2016.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It's not just gays; it's their friends, family, and other people who get turned off by Republican demagoguery on the issue.
I agree with you, it is more than just gays and lesbians, but I am only saying, regardless, there could be so many issues in 2016, this one issue will not affect that many voters and if it does, we are a sad group. Never should one or two issues influence how any of us vote. If it does, we are very shallow and closed minded. That is totally my point and not whether or not gay marriage is right or wrong.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:53 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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We need conservatives back in power. Period. Republicans must come together on conservative principles rather than stay divided. They can ill afford to pander to the Marxist left or the center. You've seen what has happened when liberals have been in charge, what with one scandal after another and a gross lack of responsibility, integrity, and accountability. And I, for one, am sick of all this. It is way past time for leadership in this country, and there isn't any. Just cowardice. Conservative principles will improve our economy, our international relations, and our overall way of life.

I can see it happening in 2016. People are tired of a corrupt Washington.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:54 PM
 
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I agree, however, this may not be an issue in 2016, depending on the Supreme Court. We never know with the Supreme Court but I don't think DOMA will survive.
People thought abortion was a settled issue after Roe as well. Unless SCOTUS goes whole hog and strikes down DOMA in its entirety and overturns every state level ban, which they probably won't, it'll still be an issue in 2016, when there'll likely be pressure for the next president to deal with marriage equality at the federal level.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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I agree with you, it is more than just gays and lesbians, but I am only saying, regardless, there could be so many issues in 2016, this one issue will not affect that many voters and if it does, we are a sad group. Never should one or two issues influence how any of us vote. If it does, we are very shallow and closed minded. That is totally my point and not whether or not gay marriage is right or wrong.
I agree. Wedge issues like gay marriage, abortion, climate change, etc are distractions and are a big part of the reason we have the quality of people running for office now that we do. All a candidate has to do is energize the base on those issues and in the mean time they can enact whatever treasonous policies they want and not be held accountable. It would be nice if gay marriage would be settled by 2016 so it won't be the huge elephant in the room and people can vote on other issues. Unfortunately, politicians know the game and know wedge politics works with the American sheeple, so its not likely to change any time soon.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I agree. Wedge issues like gay marriage, abortion, climate change, etc are distractions and are a big part of the reason we have the quality of people running for office now that we do. All a candidate has to do is energize the base on those issues and in the mean time they can enact whatever treasonous policies they want and not be held accountable. It would be nice if gay marriage would be settled by 2016 so it won't be the huge elephant in the room and people can vote on other issues. Unfortunately, politicians know the game and know wedge politics works with the American sheeple, so its not likely to change any time soon.
I think many of us are hoping Gay Marriage will be settled very soon. I see this happening sooner than later, but whether it will be in the next couple of years? That is anyone's guess. Believe me, I do think social issues are important, overall and I do care how the candidates feel about many of them. I just don't think one or two issues should be the deciding reason for voting for or against a candidate. If that were the case, many of us would never even vote. I have yet to find a candidate, running for Pres. that I agreed with all his positions.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:41 AM
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I can't see a Hillary and Joe ticket . Its too much on the State Department /foreign policy side not enough domestic policy possibilties. That (domestic policy) is what Americans are going to want from both parties. Not just the controversial issues but things that affect all families and individuals. I think The current President is trying to wean us on foreign policy only.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:18 AM
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In a national election with all the problems facing us, it would not affect my vote. You must have missed most of my posts: I support gay rights 100%. So before you tell me how I feel read my posts for heavens sake!!!! I have a gay foster daughter, a lot of gay associates, I had a gay boss till I retired at the end of last year, I had gay clients. So you have nothing to base you opinion of me on: you know absolutely nothing about me. I am only basing an opinion on what I see as major issues in 2016.
A gay rights supporter that votes for Republicans? That is a bit like being a Jew that worked for the Nazis.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A gay rights supporter that votes for Republicans? That is a bit like being a Jew that worked for the Nazis.
Have you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans? I don't have a clue where you get your ideas, but they sure seem to be based on nothing but what you seem to want to think. Do you feel the same about blacks that are actually Republicans and how about Atheists and Agnostics that also are part of the GOP? Do you really think, only white anglos can be Republicans? Boy it appears you have a very closed mind?
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:46 PM
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Have you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans? I don't have a clue where you get your ideas, but they sure seem to be based on nothing but what you seem to want to think. Do you feel the same about blacks that are actually Republicans and how about Atheists and Agnostics that also are part of the GOP? Do you really think, only white anglos can be Republicans? Boy it appears you have a very closed mind?
Your comparisons to African American and atheist/agnostic Republicans is ridiculous. The Republican Party platform includes statements that supports the ongoing bigotry and also calls for an expansion of discrimination against homosexuals. There is nothing similar in the platform that addresses stripping civil rights from African Americans or nonbelievers.
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