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Old 06-17-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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We sill never agree on this so let's drop it and my comments are more directed to your comparing him with Reagan, which is just plain off the wall in every way. No, he isn't to the left like someone who calls his religion Democrat socialism or whatever, but he is anything but mid stream and certainly isn't anywhere close to the Republicans you mention. The subject of sacrificing SS absolutely never came up during the Reagan years. I am beginning to think you were not even born then based on some of the beliefs about the 80s you have.
Obama is center left... and actually he is more center than the GOP puts on. Drone killings, NSA wire tap scandal (not really a scandal IMO. Gauntanomo still open, war on terror still going strong, Wall Street running things, gap between rich and poor wider than ever... Banks are making a killing, gun makers can't make guns and bullets fast enough to keep up with the demand.

Too many voters see R or D and automatically go into bash mode...
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Old 06-20-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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Michelle would actually have more experience than her husband did on day one.
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Michelle would actually have more experience than her husband did on day one.
well I guess if you consider traveling all over the world and taking your entire family, including cousins and using tax payers money, experience, you are pretty close to right..
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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well I guess if you consider traveling all over the world and taking your entire family, including cousins and using tax payers money, experience, you are pretty close to right..
Well, Barack's foreign policy experience in 2008 was also traveling.

Barack had zero executive experience when we elected him the chief executive in all the land. Not even as a professor was he an executive - he never had a class where he taught kids for a semester and gave them assignments, graded them and gave them a final grade - never had that. Being a state senator where you vote present isn't really good experience for being president.

Isn't Michelle's 8 years in the White House more experience than being a senator for a few years that didn't do anything of significance in that time?

2016 Michelle would be better prepared than 2008 Obama to be president.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Don't the Democrats have any decent governors? What about Senator and former Governor Joe Manchin from West Virginia?

Didn't endorse Obama in 2012
co-sponsored a balanced budget amendment
voted against raising the debt ceiling
advocated for substantial reduced federal spending
He thinks the EPA over-reaches
he's for an all-in energy plan.
He supported the Keystone Pipeline.
He wants Afghanistan to go away.
He's pro-life.
He is of course, pro-coal
AND, according to Wikipedia he was ranked the 2nd most bipartisan Senator in the Democrat Caucus by Congressional Quarterly
AND who could forget his gun ad when he first ran for office? (Yes, I recall his recent dust - up with the NRA.)
AND he actually has executive experience.
...

I always wanted him to change parties. I could vote for him over most of the Republicans.
That's an interesting name I had not thought of. It doesn't seem likely that he could make it through a presidential Dem primary. Pro life, anti-gays-in-military, ex energy exec, etc. And if he switched parties, I'm not sure he could compete with the GOP young guns---Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and Paul.
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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That's an interesting name I had not thought of. It doesn't seem likely that he could make it through a presidential Dem primary. Pro life, anti-gays-in-military, ex energy exec, etc. And if he switched parties, I'm not sure he could compete with the GOP young guns---Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and Paul.
he wouldn't make it out of WV...
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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That's an interesting name I had not thought of. It doesn't seem likely that he could make it through a presidential Dem primary. Pro life, anti-gays-in-military, ex energy exec, etc. And if he switched parties, I'm not sure he could compete with the GOP young guns---Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, and Paul.
He is very popular in WV or so we have been told, but I think you are right, he certainly wouldn't go far in the Dem primaries, and I think there are too many, well known, young Republicans showing interest. He would get lost in the shuffle.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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In March 2008 then Sen Barack Obama said "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path." And as President, he clearly want to be for the left what Reagan was for the right--a transformational figure.

One of the weaknesses of the Reagan revolution was that he didn't really leave a successor. I think there are reasons for this that were out of Reagan's control, but still it did mute his long term impact. HW Bush was never the true believer that Reagan was. After all he famously called Reagan's fundamental econ beliefs as "voodoo economics."

I am convinced that Pres. Obama was and probably still is, a true believer lefty lib. You can see it in some of his early Chicago period writings that have been exhumed by writer Stanley Kurtz. Given that, he has to be asking himself right now, how is he going to do what Reagan failed to do, and keep the ball rolling.

Hillary is also a true believer progressive, but I just don't think she's going to run. She'll be 69, and she has had a rough go of it as sec'y of state. She didn't even want the job, but Obama talked her into it. Stick a fork in her, she's done. She said she was tired of the 20 hour days in 2008, so how much more so in 2016?

Joe Biden probably wants it, but he is no true believer. He's the guy who got the job because he's a schmoozer, constantly angling to get himself in the right place at the right time. Corey Booker disqualified himself when he spoke up for Bain Capital in 2012. What true believer would do that.

Who else is there? Michelle Obama. She's a gifted speaker. She has a degree from Harvard Law School. She knows the 'Chicago way' inside and out, having grown up as the daughter of a Chicago politico. Why not? The husband-to-wife baton hand-off has been done before, in other countries.
Sorry - it still sounds crazy.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Michelle would actually have more experience than her husband did on day one.
That's setting the bar AWFULLY low, like maybe one centimeter above ground.
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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In March 2008 then Sen Barack Obama said "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path." And as President, he clearly want to be for the left what Reagan was for the right--a transformational figure.

One of the weaknesses of the Reagan revolution was that he didn't really leave a successor. I think there are reasons for this that were out of Reagan's control, but still it did mute his long term impact. HW Bush was never the true believer that Reagan was. After all he famously called Reagan's fundamental econ beliefs as "voodoo economics."

I am convinced that Pres. Obama was and probably still is, a true believer lefty lib. You can see it in some of his early Chicago period writings that have been exhumed by writer Stanley Kurtz. Given that, he has to be asking himself right now, how is he going to do what Reagan failed to do, and keep the ball rolling.

Hillary is also a true believer progressive, but I just don't think she's going to run. She'll be 69, and she has had a rough go of it as sec'y of state. She didn't even want the job, but Obama talked her into it. Stick a fork in her, she's done. She said she was tired of the 20 hour days in 2008, so how much more so in 2016?

Joe Biden probably wants it, but he is no true believer. He's the guy who got the job because he's a schmoozer, constantly angling to get himself in the right place at the right time. Corey Booker disqualified himself when he spoke up for Bain Capital in 2012. What true believer would do that.

Who else is there? Michelle Obama. She's a gifted speaker. She has a degree from Harvard Law School. She knows the 'Chicago way' inside and out, having grown up as the daughter of a Chicago politico. Why not? The husband-to-wife baton hand-off has been done before, in other countries.
So this is how low the bar has been set, not that I'm surprised. She's a "gifted speaker", and of course has a Harvard law School Degree. That and knowing the "Chicago Way" of politics; you think that's a plus???
She's even LESS qualified than her "community organizer" husband, if that's possible.
Gott im Himmel, no wonder this country's in dire straits, given this absurd list of so-called qualifications.
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