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Old 11-20-2007, 03:42 PM
 
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You're right, I've never heard of that. So if that was in place, why was Bush's FISA endaround even necessary?
Thats because the rules and such do not apply to the Dems only everyone else!
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:50 PM
 
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I agree. This woman is not qualified to be President. All she did was sit back like a "snake in the grass" while her husband served in office so that she could make a calculated move to sit at his desk. Hillary Clinton is a self-serving opportunist, unworthly and unqualified for the White House.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Thats because the rules and such do not apply to the Dems only everyone else!
But the problem with Bush Administration spying is that they didn't follow the rules (some call them laws) regarding domestic wiretapping. So, great one-liner, but it doesn't make any sense.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:58 PM
 
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No, she stuck with Bill for one reason and one reason only. . . her aspiration for power. . . she knew she would have no chance to become President of the U.S if she was a divorced single woman.

If we could all be blessed with your ability to read hearts and minds!
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:24 AM
 
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You're a little late there.
During the 1990s, under President Clinton, the National Security Agency (NSA) monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super-secret program code-named Echelon. It had been monitoring private domestic telephone conversations without obtaining court-approved warrants.
Proof please?
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:14 AM
 
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Proof please?
I've heard of Echelon, but it wasn't started by Clinton. It was in operation well before Clinton.


Here's some good background info:

ECHELON - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:17 PM
 
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Under Clinton, NY Times called surveillance "a necessity"

The controversy following revelations that U.S. intelligence agencies have monitored suspected terrorist related communications since 9/11 reflects a severe case of selective amnesia by the New York Times and other media opponents of President Bush.
They certainly didn't show the same outrage when a much more invasive and indiscriminate domestic surveillance program came to light during the Clinton administration in the 1990's. At that time, the Times called the surveillance 'a necessity.'

'If you made a phone call today or sent an e—mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency.' (Steve Kroft, CBS' 60 Minutes)

Those words were aired on February 27, 2000 to describe the National Security Agency and an electronic surveillance program called Echelon whose mission, according to Kroft,
'is to eavesdrop on enemies of the state: foreign countries, terrorist groups and drug cartels. But in the process, Echelon's computers capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world.'
Echelon was, or is (its existence has been under—reported in the American media), an electronic eavesdropping program conducted by the United States and a few select allies such as the United Kingdom.

And the Times article quoted an N.S.A. official in assuring readers
'...that all Agency activities are conducted in accordance with the highest constitutional, legal and ethical standards.'
Of course, that was on May 27, 1999 and Bill Clinton, not George W. Bush, was president.
Even so, the article did admit that
'...many are concerned that the system could be abused to collect economic and political information.'

In the February, 2000 60 Minutes story, former spy Mike Frost made clear that Echelon monitored practically every conversation — no matter how seemingly innocent — during the Clinton years.
'A lady had been to a school play the night before, and her son was in the school play and she thought he did a——a lousy job. Next morning, she was talking on the telephone to her friend, and she said to her friend something like this, 'Oh, Danny really bombed last night,' just like that. The computer spit that conversation out. The analyst that was looking at it was not too sure about what the conversation w——was referring to, so erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady and her phone number in the database as a possible terrorist.'
'This is not urban legend you're talking about. This actually happened?'
Kroft asked.
'Factual. Absolutely fact. No legend here.'


American Thinker: Under Clinton, NY Times called surveillance "a necessity"

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Old 11-22-2007, 01:46 PM
 
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Proof please?
See post #47.
(Thanks for the info, Miborn.)
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:25 PM
 
Location: FL
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I hate to disagree here

but Mrs. Clinton is just as qualified as any other person running for President, from either party. She is bright-very smart- has more brain power then most of the men running actually.



Its too bad the far right- has nothing better to do but vilify her- just as they do with anyone that may represent change.

I as a proud liberal, and lifelong democrat have not decided who to vote for- but Mrs Clinton stands far above the troglodytes of the republican party, who basically represent the past, and have become so right wing reactionary they may as well turn into a 'Fascist standing from a balcony'
You are on the wrong thread Skytrekker.
There is no way this sly, controlling, manipulative, money-grabbing, lying(about Vince Foster, may he rest in peace), cunning, backstabbing, liberal/ moderate/conservative-when-the-finger in the air calls for it , should ever be president of anything. She does'nt even respect the military(our countries fighting forces) for Gods sake, she has no respect for human life and takes every oportunity to get photo ops, just like her unfaithfull(wonder why...) husband. Let alone all the other reasons mentioned on this thread, including mainly she never even ran her own home, she had maids, secretarys...all her life, can't relate to the poor except to use them to get a political edge just like Bill...YIKES NOT AGAIN!!! I don't even want to think about her any longer GTG.
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:52 PM
 
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With all due respect to the office of presidency..
I will not vote for her.
This country needs a very integral candidate.Someone who has experience and knowledge in dealing with world affairs especially,as well as a fiscal background. The fact thatthey are worth more money than anyone else should not be a contributing factor ..especially when one looks at where that money came from.(China).
Furthermore,there is an awful lot at stake right now.
The fact that we never had a woman president before should not be the consideration in choosing the right candidate.
I pray that this country takes a good long look at what really matters when it comes right down to it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
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