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OldGlory, All that needs to occur for the focus to be solely economic would be for the GOP to eliminate any support for limits to pro choice positions as well as avoiding supporting any limits as to what defines civil marriage. Their inability to take those steps has kept the focus on their rigid, social issue positions. Their opponents spend far less time on social issues, as they are not attempting to impose any personal beliefs so as to limit individual choice on these issues.
The lefty liberals ignore those values that the Teaparty espouses though that you mentioned. They focus on gay marriage, abortion and all sorts of other social issues that they don't agree with the Teaparty on. IMO, the things you mentioned are much more important to the well being of our country than focusing on gays and abortion. Lefty liberals would rather throw the bath water out with the baby though.
Does the constituion include equal protection under the law or does it not? If it don't, you have a point but thanks to the 14th amendment and the 19th amendment, it does. The gay marriage is the separate but equal of 2015. Separate but equal was outlawed 60 years ago by the Supreme Court and put to an end by Congress 50 years ago. Should be no surprise that many states promoting Jim Crow don't want gays to have the same rights as straight people.
If you want to use the constitution as the be all, end all, you can't cherry pick what parts you want to follow. It's all or nothing document.
Does the constituion include equal protection under the law or does it not? If it don't, you have a point but thanks to the 14th amendment and the 19th amendment, it does. The gay marriage is the separate but equal of 2015. Separate but equal was outlawed 60 years ago by the Supreme Court and put to an end by Congress 50 years ago. Should be no surprise that many states promoting Jim Crow don't want gays to have the same rights as straight people.
If you want to use the constitution as the be all, end all, you can't cherry pick what parts you want to follow. It's all or nothing document.
There is nothing in the Constitution about gay marriage. What about equal protection for the unborn? All the libbies are for so-called equal rights for gays but draw the line on the rights of a little, defenseless human being. Should we also start allowing brothers and sisters to marry all under the guise of equal rights? When does this nonsense end? Marriage between gays is the only thing that is objected to. Otherwise they have the same rights as anyone else. There is no cherry picking at all. Re-read what I said.
There is nothing in the Constitution about gay marriage. What about equal protection for the unborn? All the libbies are for so-called equal rights for gays but draw the line on the rights of a little, defenseless human being. Should we also start allowing brothers and sisters to marry all under the guise of equal rights? When does this nonsense end? Marriage between gays is the only thing that is objected to. Otherwise they have the same rights as anyone else. There is no cherry picking at all. Re-read what I said.
Civil Unions as they stand right now is the colored bathrooms or colored section in the back of the bus of today. Through civil unions gays got hit with estate taxes upon death, while straight couples didn't. Civil unions for gays do not allow for visitation at hospitals the way straight couples are allowed. How is that not separate but equal which is OUTLAWED by the constitution?
There is nothing in the Constitution about gay marriage. What about equal protection for the unborn? All the libbies are for so-called equal rights for gays but draw the line on the rights of a little, defenseless human being. Should we also start allowing brothers and sisters to marry all under the guise of equal rights? When does this nonsense end? Marriage between gays is the only thing that is objected to. Otherwise they have the same rights as anyone else. There is no cherry picking at all. Re-read what I said.
In the Constitution there is the 14th amendment which, in part says the following.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
In the bolded part is the key language. The Supreme Court ruled that marriage generally falls under under the liberty section of the due process clause in several decisions as marriage is a fundamental liberty interest which cannot be denied without due process. Now several appeals courts have said that gay marriage falls under marriage as a fundamental right requiring due process. Some have also suggested that equal protection is relevant as well.
As to abortion again the Supreme court has ruled that control over ones role in procreation is also a liberty interest requiring due process. Furthermore fetuses are not people and do not have rights until a set point.
Now you might ask why does any of this matter, I know the Constitution and the courts are full of "libbies" who make stuff up.
I would direct you to article 3 sections one and two, in part, of the US Constitution.
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
As the bolded parts clearly explain when there is a live case arising under the Constitution the federal courts are the ones in charge of adjudicating it and determining what is actionable under the Constitution and what is not.
IHTH.
The lefty liberals ignore those values that the Teaparty espouses though that you mentioned. They focus on gay marriage, abortion and all sorts of other social issues that they don't agree with the Teaparty on. IMO, the things you mentioned are much more important to the well being of our country than focusing on gays and abortion. Lefty liberals would rather throw the bath water out with the baby though.
Goes back to sticking to the issues. Those who live different life choices will meet different result in their personal life.
Civil Unions as they stand right now is the colored bathrooms or colored section in the back of the bus of today. Through civil unions gays got hit with estate taxes upon death, while straight couples didn't. Civil unions for gays do not allow for visitation at hospitals the way straight couples are allowed. How is that not separate but equal which is OUTLAWED by the constitution?
Oh please, comparing not advocating for gay marriage in the traditional sense to the plight of Black Americans is totally ridiculous. Change the rules for a civil union for gays then. It's really that simple. It reminds me of those who try and defend illegal immigration by trying to compare them to Black Americans and the Civil Rights Era also.
In the Constitution there is the 14th amendment which, in part says the following.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
In the bolded part is the key language. The Supreme Court ruled that marriage generally falls under under the liberty section of the due process clause in several decisions as marriage is a fundamental liberty interest which cannot be denied without due process. Now several appeals courts have said that gay marriage falls under marriage as a fundamental right requiring due process. Some have also suggested that equal protection is relevant as well.
As to abortion again the Supreme court has ruled that control over ones role in procreation is also a liberty interest requiring due process. Furthermore fetuses are not people and do not have rights until a set point.
Now you might ask why does any of this matter, I know the Constitution and the courts are full of "libbies" who make stuff up.
I would direct you to article 3 sections one and two, in part, of the US Constitution.
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
As the bolded parts clearly explain when there is a live case arising under the Constitution the federal courts are the ones in charge of adjudicating it and determining what is actionable under the Constitution and what is not.
IHTH.
Well that does it then! The writers of the Constitution must have meant for sisters and brothers, etc. to marry also, right? After all, we are talking about equality, right? As for your birthright citizenship quote your clue is "AND" subject to the jurisidiction, etc. That excludes birthright citizenship for kids born of parents here illegally but that's another topic that has been discussed ad nausuem and I don't wish to debate that one again.
Well that does it then! The writers of the Constitution must have meant for sisters and brothers, etc. to marry also, right? After all, we are talking about equality, right? As for your birthright citizenship quote your clue is "AND" subject to the jurisidiction, etc. That excludes birthright citizenship for kids born of parents here illegally but that's another topic that has been discussed ad nausuem and I don't wish to debate that one again.
Again since you have trouble with this concept. I will re-state the relevant sections of article 3.
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
Again as the bolded parts clearly state. If there is an is a material dispute, that results in a legal case about the meaning of a part of the Constitution or something's permissibility under the constitution that is for the Federal courts to decide. It is one of the reasons there is an article 3 in the Constitution. As to sibling marriage I am not aware of that ever being a Constitutional issue resulting in a legal case, but if it were it would be up to the courts to decide. As to birthright citizenship again, that is an issue for the courts as well and there have been cases on that one. That is one of the purposes of article 3. You can have your opinions on the application of the Constitution, but the Constitution itself says those questions are to be decided by the courts for all applicable purposes.
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