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Old 07-12-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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ie. You have no comeback whatsoever.

By the way, you proved my point YET AGAIN later a few posts down, by bringing up Obama yet again. Proving my point that Walker defenders can't help themselves but bring up President Obama, because Walker's track record is indefensible at this point.
Actually you just keep proving the point that you dont know wtf you are talking about because I'm simply defending those who have no college degrees, I dont know enough about Walker to defend him..

Maybe one day you'll actually read whats being posted
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First of all, most of us Democratic voters don't care that he doesn't have a college degree. We really don't. What we hate is the fact that he seems to despise public education, and has continually gutted funding for our excellent UW system and our public education system (setting up voucher/charter programs that have been shown to NOT WORK).

There. Was I unclear? Do you get it yet? Or are you going to bring up Obama yet again in this thread?
So lets see if I understand you 'clearly'..

obama "voucher program" for healthcare, under ACA is very very good...
Walkers "voucher program" is very very bad..

If vouchers dont work, why do you support them when Democrats propose them?
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Old 07-12-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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obama "voucher program" for healthcare, under ACA is very very good...
Walkers "voucher program" is very very bad..

If vouchers dont work, why do you support them when Democrats propose them?
That's an apples to orange comparison if I ever saw one. (Oh, and you're making my point by bringing up Obama in this thread YET AGAIN...running gag, indeed).

Here's a break down on voucher school "success" in Wisconsin and elsewhere, if you care to educate yourself:

No evidence that choice students outperform public school students, Mary Burke says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

They don't work. They don't do better than public schools. They get to cherry pick their students and foist any "undesirables" onto the public school system, but yet the voucher schools aren't held to the same standards. Their teachers don't have to have any real credentials, either.

The tax payers can barely pay for one educational system, but now we have to fund two? How does any of that jive with fiscal conservatism?
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Old 07-12-2015, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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That's an apples to orange comparison if I ever saw one. (Oh, and you're making my point by bringing up Obama in this thread YET AGAIN...running gag, indeed).

Here's a break down on voucher school "success" in Wisconsin and elsewhere, if you care to educate yourself:

No evidence that choice students outperform public school students, Mary Burke says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

They don't work. They don't do better than public schools. They get to cherry pick their students and foist any "undesirables" onto the public school system, but yet the voucher schools aren't held to the same standards. Their teachers don't have to have any real credentials, either.

The tax payers can barely pay for one educational system, but now we have to fund two? How does any of that jive with fiscal conservatism?
If Charter Schools are doing merely an equal job as public schools, if they are saving the taxpayers money, they are still worthwhile as they are reducing the burden on the taxpayers. Further, providing competition for the public schools can provide motivation for the public schools to raise their game and do a better job. If the competition didn't exist, there would be no way to measure the public schools' performance
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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That's an apples to orange comparison if I ever saw one. (Oh, and you're making my point by bringing up Obama in this thread YET AGAIN...running gag, indeed).

Here's a break down on voucher school "success" in Wisconsin and elsewhere, if you care to educate yourself:

No evidence that choice students outperform public school students, Mary Burke says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

They don't work. They don't do better than public schools. They get to cherry pick their students and foist any "undesirables" onto the public school system, but yet the voucher schools aren't held to the same standards. Their teachers don't have to have any real credentials, either.

The tax payers can barely pay for one educational system, but now we have to fund two? How does any of that jive with fiscal conservatism?
Wrong.. the comparison is extremely valuable because tax payers arent paying for two educational systems, each child is only being taught ONCE.

I'm sure you thought you were making a point, but you didnt.. Most of us learned in kindergarten basic math, others clearly will never get it.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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What about Democrat Harry Truman?

Yeah, the first emperor didn't have a college degree either. We are advancing as a civilization (hopefully) and we are now in the 21st century. There is no excuse for not having an education if one is aspiring to be president of the US.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:32 AM
 
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I would say that is a plus. My husband and I agree that most colleges with their liberal agenda are to blame for the mess the country is in today.

I will take an intelligent person with the right sense of values over an educated idiot any day of the week.
Damn that Cheney for attending a liberal college (UW-Madison) with a liberal agenda which caused him to make a mess of our country.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I can't believe Walker is polling so well. He doesn't seem very intelligent or like he really has any types of plans on how to address the major issues. At least not from what Ive seen. He's also boring and doesn't command attention either.

Walker is a one trick pony. Ask him anything off his script of, "busted public unions and was reelected in a blue state," and he folds like a school boy who didn't finish his homework assignment.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Walker is a one trick pony. Ask him anything off his script of, "busted public unions and was reelected in a blue state," and he folds like a school boy who didn't finish his homework assignment.
Walker's success in dealing with the previously all-powerful labor unions in Wisconsin is the crowning achievement of his administration.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Walker's success in dealing with the previously all-powerful labor unions in Wisconsin is the crowning achievement of his administration.
And much to the detriment of the citizens of Wisconsin.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:53 AM
 
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Walker's success in dealing with the previously all-powerful labor unions in Wisconsin is the crowning achievement of his administration.
Caused massive layoffs, loss of jobs, and a severe shortage of teachers in WI such that they actually considered hiring someone with a college degree teach high school! State also has a 2.2 billion dollar deficit. So what part of that mess is a crowning achievement? Again, Walker is a one trick pony, except his pony wears a smoke screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGyItprY1Dg

I am beginning to think that the uneducated, low paid really want to bring everyone else down with them and this is what that is about.

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