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Old 03-28-2015, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The Republican leadership isn't too swift. I expect them to nominate another moderate and go blazing down to defeat.

Although no matter what moderate they nominate- Christie? Bush? McCain?- the moderate will be labeled as the "next Hitler" by the Democrats, the Democrats will push the whole liberal social agenda, and the GOP candidate won't say a word.

So, the Republicans will lose everyone on the left side of the social agenda, yet gain no one who disagrees with the Religious Left as they won't be rallying social conservatives. Sort of like what Mr. Romney did in 2012, uttering not a syllable about abortion or other social issues during the whole fall campaign.
This is because if any candidate did, they would lose the woman vote of they were thinking of voting for them. If Romney mentioned abortion, he would have faced fewer votes than McCain had in 2008 rather than gain votes.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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The Republican leadership isn't too swift. I expect them to nominate another moderate and go blazing down to defeat.

Although no matter what moderate they nominate- Christie? Bush? McCain?- the moderate will be labeled as the "next Hitler" by the Democrats, the Democrats will push the whole liberal social agenda, and the GOP candidate won't say a word.

So, the Republicans will lose everyone on the left side of the social agenda, yet gain no one who disagrees with the Religious Left as they won't be rallying social conservatives. Sort of like what Mr. Romney did in 2012, uttering not a syllable about abortion or other social issues during the whole fall campaign.
The way things are going, the Republicans can't lose this election.

Heck, they may be better off with Hillary the DINO in office. Last time she was there she and Bill helped the Republicans pass all kinds of pet republican legislation like NAFTA....and it's easier to get it passed when it's the other parties president betraying the democratic base.
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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This is because if any candidate did, they would lose the woman vote of they were thinking of voting for them. If Romney mentioned abortion, he would have faced fewer votes than McCain had in 2008 rather than gain votes.

Romney lost the pro-abortion vote anyhow, as the Democrats kept on harping on the issue the whole campaign, with their "war on women" meme.

And there was no upside to it, either. Romney said nothing to encourage pro-life women (and men) to come to the polls for him.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The Republican leadership isn't too swift. I expect them to nominate another moderate and go blazing down to defeat.

Although no matter what moderate they nominate- Christie? Bush? McCain?- the moderate will be labeled as the "next Hitler" by the Democrats, the Democrats will push the whole liberal social agenda, and the GOP candidate won't say a word.

So, the Republicans will lose everyone on the left side of the social agenda, yet gain no one who disagrees with the Religious Left as they won't be rallying social conservatives. Sort of like what Mr. Romney did in 2012, uttering not a syllable about abortion or other social issues during the whole fall campaign.
Oh, I think they will nominate someone who tries to play up to the far right like the last elections, then when that person tries to move back to a moderate stance, they will meet the same fate as the last couple who did the exact same thing.

I say, please pick a far right candidate that far right wingers could be proud of so that they can watch that pick go down in flames.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Just like in the 2008 democratic primaries, the Hillary supporters are once again showing their racist stripes.
That makes no sense, unless you are accusing that person as being a Hillary supporter in 2008.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Cruz's stated aim is to upset the national applecart. He is a take no prisoners, compromise is not an option, candidate. Big money from corporate America does not like candidates who say they will upset the apple cart. Big business make all their money from the apple cart.
Plus, if by some quirk of fate, he did win the primaries, there's no way the republican party can cobble together 270 electoral votes for a radical candidate like Cruz. He'll Goldwater or McGovern out.
He's a sideshow and will be the monkey wrench for the republicans during their primary. Nobody in Washington likes him anyway and that includes republicans.
I think Cruz's hidden agenda is to use the presidential primary process to unify and solidify his radical, right wing base and create a separate political force, led by him. He know's he can't win but will probably come out with a very strong, organized, devoted faction similar to the brownshirts of 1932 Germany. Please understand, I'm not making a reference to Ted and his supporters as Nazis. Just making a comparison of the political dynamics of Germany in 1932.
One thing that hurt Goldwater was that LBJ ran the dirtiest campaign in history.
Freakonomics » The Complete History of Dirty Politics: A Q&A on Anything for a Vote

In the North he portrayed Goldwater literally in KKK robes, while in the South he accurately portrayed Goldwater as a lifelong opponent of segregation. LBJ would probably not be able to get away with that today.

Reagan was portrayed as a hard right conservative, which he was, yet won solidly in 1980, and by a landslide in 84. Every presidential election is a unique event. Whether Cruz has a chance is not a function of what happened in 1964 or 1972, but of what happens between now and Nov 2016. We don't even know with 100% certainty whom the Dem nominee will be, much less what might transpire--war, terrorist attack, economic crash,
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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One thing that hurt Goldwater was that LBJ ran the dirtiest campaign in history.
Freakonomics » The Complete History of Dirty Politics: A Q&A on Anything for a Vote

In the North he portrayed Goldwater literally in KKK robes, while in the South he accurately portrayed Goldwater as a lifelong opponent of segregation. LBJ would probably not be able to get away with that today.

Reagan was portrayed as a hard right conservative, which he was, yet won solidly in 1980, and by a landslide in 84. Every presidential election is a unique event. Whether Cruz has a chance is not a function of what happened in 1964 or 1972, but of what happens between now and Nov 2016. We don't even know with 100% certainty whom the Dem nominee will be, much less what might transpire--war, terrorist attack, economic crash,
You know, death and taxes. But we can say with almost complete certainty that Cruz will not be the Republican nominee. It just is not happening.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Just like in the 2008 democratic primaries, the Hillary supporters are once again showing their racist stripes.
Is calling him Rafael any worse than the multitude of republicans here calling President Obama, Hussein ???

if one is wrong, both are.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Oh, I think they will nominate someone who tries to play up to the far right like the last elections, then when that person tries to move back to a moderate stance, they will meet the same fate as the last couple who did the exact same thing.

I say, please pick a far right candidate that far right wingers could be proud of so that they can watch that pick go down in flames.
Neither Mr. Romney nor Mr. McCain were "far right", nor did they "play up" to the "far right" in their campaigns. During the fall campaign, Romney didn't deliver any speeches to pro-life groups, pro-family groups, he didn't hobnob with Rev. Hagee or Bob Jones or Wayne LaPierre, he didn't appear on Limbaugh's program, nor Hannity's during the fall campaign. By failing to go out and solicit those voters, he left millions of conservative votes on the table in the vain hope of winning liberal ones- but those folks were already otherwise committed and he wasn't going to get them anyway.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Neither Mr. Romney nor Mr. McCain were "far right", nor did they "play up" to the "far right" in their campaigns. During the fall campaign, Romney didn't deliver any speeches to pro-life groups, pro-family groups, he didn't hobnob with Rev. Hagee or Bob Jones or Wayne LaPierre, he didn't appear on Limbaugh's program, nor Hannity's during the fall campaign. By failing to go out and solicit those voters, he left millions of conservative votes on the table in the vain hope of winning liberal ones- but those folks were already otherwise committed and he wasn't going to get them anyway.
Then you must have not been paying attention during those primaries or too young to remember them. Both candidates played to the far right wingers during the primaries in hopes that people wouldn't remember that in the general election. Also, in case you didn't know, the primaries don't happen in the fall.

Bush brought out 62 million voters in 2004, no Republican has brought more right wing voters than that, which even at 62 million, the GOP would have still lost the elections in 2008 and 2012.
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