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Old 04-04-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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No, many of 'they' voted for Obama not because he'd be the first black President but because they viewed him as the lesser evil than the political hacks the GOP ran against him, Hillary may well get elected for the same reason.
To be fair: many people DO put Hillary and Obama together; kinda like McCain and Bush 43 back in 2008. I was leaning towards Bush then but; him picking Palin scared me so, I held my nose and voted Obama.

IMHO what may make it or BREAK it for Hillary in 2016 IF even she wins the Dem nod; is who her running mate is. A strong anglo white dude under about 50 years old would help, anything else would probably hurt. A "Hispanic" for VP may kill her chances come November, especially if he or she favor amnesty for illegal aliens.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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It all comes down to who the republican nominee is. If it's Bush, she is in trouble.. Bush has the potential to beat her. If it's anyone else that I have seen, I think she will win the election. Honestly I would rather not see her or Bush as our next president, but I think that will be our option.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It all comes down to who the republican nominee is. If it's Bush, she is in trouble.. Bush has the potential to beat her. If it's anyone else that I have seen, I think she will win the election. Honestly I would rather not see her or Bush as our next president, but I think that will be our option.

I think just the reverse. If the nominee is Jeb Bush he will lose to Hillary. It will turn into a proxy battle between W Bush and Bill Clinton, especially among low info voters. And Hillary is snapping up all of Obama's campaign people who are masters at appealing to the LIV's.

If the GOP nominee is one of the new faces, Hillary still could win, but at least the GOP would have a chance. Then the narrative becomes 'do we want to go back to the past, or ahead to the future?' And those many voters who have Bush-Clinton fatigue will be inclined to take a look at the GOP nominee...but not if it's Bush.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:07 PM
 
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Barack Obama didnt even get 98% of the black vote. But history would show that Hillary will probably get at least 82%, likely higher.

No, just a "paltry" 95% & 93% in respective years.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I think just the reverse. If the nominee is Jeb Bush he will lose to Hillary. It will turn into a proxy battle between W Bush and Bill Clinton, especially among low info voters. And Hillary is snapping up all of Obama's campaign people who are masters at appealing to the LIV's.

If the GOP nominee is one of the new faces, Hillary still could win, but at least the GOP would have a chance. Then the narrative becomes 'do we want to go back to the past, or ahead to the future?' And those many voters who have Bush-Clinton fatigue will be inclined to take a look at the GOP nominee...but not if it's Bush.
I actually hope you are right and I am wrong, but I think Bush can beat Clinton. I don't think any of the others can get the votes to do it...
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If you wish to see HC lose, the GOP nominee must appeal, massively, to Latinos and swing state moderates (independents not registered to a party). Those groups are far less socially conservative then the GOP base, so it would take socially moderate positions to appeal to them. (Not the Hobby Lobby nonsensical RWNJ mindset).

Fail to win those groups, and even Bush cannot overcome the obstacles the NJs would be placing before him.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I actually hope you are right and I am wrong, but I think Bush can beat Clinton. I don't think any of the others can get the votes to do it...


The Republican Base will vote for a tea party republican.(they are team players, regardless who is the person with the R on their chest)
The grassroots conservatives will not vote for a Progressive Establishment Republican.

That is the whole reason Reagan won, when he did. Crushing the competition. The Grass Roots of the nation(silent majority), has always been for more freedoms, more choice and more liberty, not less. Bush squeaked buy, both times.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Reagan's MO to win is NOT repeatable. He might have lost in 2008 if alive. We are a very different nation. Reagan's wins occurred when 7 in 8 voters were white; today's POTUS vote will be around 5.6 of 8 voters being white.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Get used to hearing "Madam President".

And " First Gentleman"
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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First Gentleman...

It brightens my day just to think about that.
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