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Old 04-07-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Good post as usual OP. Interesting numbers but there appear to be huge inconsistencies. Blacks have an overall negative view of capitalism and positive view of socialism, but a 60% positive view of conservatism. Hispanics have an overwhelming preference for bigger government but are split almost exactly evenly among preference for conservative/moderate/liberal. It doesn't add up.

I suspect that some of this is just a reflection of a dumbed-down America. I would bet that not one in 100 Americans could give a definition of 'socialism' (gov't ownership of the means of production).

I believe much of the attitudes of minorities towards conservatism and the GOP are proxy for the feeling that the GOP is 'whites only.' As the GOP continues to recruit more minority candidates, this will change, and ideology will no longer be a function of race/ethnicity. Which I think any sane person would have to admit, is as it should be. Anyone who believes that one's ideas should hinge on one's skin color is by definition a racist.
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The key is not the candidates; its the base, wutitiz. 95% of 2012 GOP primary voters were white. In a year where 72% of November voters were white. It will never mirror the nation, but it must get far more diverse.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Johnson Creek,WI
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One quick solution would be to give electoral votes by congressional district. Romney lost Wisconsin,but on 5 of the 8 districts. WIth GOP governors and legislatures in Wisconsin,Michigan,Ohio it would make good sense to push that.
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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The key is not the candidates; its the base, wutitiz. 95% of 2012 GOP primary voters were white. In a year where 72% of November voters were white. It will never mirror the nation, but it must get far more diverse.
Well, what do you think the Republicans could say or do to get the minority votes to all switch over to their side?


Since they are going to have to bring them over sooner or later anyhow, or face extinction, shouldn't it be done sooner rather than later?
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Old 04-07-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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A Comprehensive Immigration Reform plan with a long-term possible pathway to citizenship would help. Latinos are the fastest growing demographic group in America.

Even bigger, they need to formally separate from fringe groups. There should be no GOP Tea Party debates. If the TP wishes to have debates, it should not be under the official umbrella of the true party. The RWNJ base is not welcoming of diversity, and it isn't big enough to get 270 electoral votes,so the GOP is dumb clinging to this sinking boat. Unlike non-national races, POTUS cannot be won via gerrymandering. It requires a big tent.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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The Democrat Party needs to address its huge problem with white voters, and white males especially. Whites will be the voting majority in the country for a long time and the current Democrat strategy of demonizing white people threatens to relegate the Democrat Party to permanent minority status.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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LOL-- 30% of voters for POTUS will not be white, and Dems win Blue Wall white vote. They lose the white vote in those pithy 3-7 electoral vote redneck states, and as Romney and McCain saw, those states cannot get the GOP to 270.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:25 PM
 
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LOL-- 30% of voters for POTUS will not be white, and Dems win Blue Wall white vote. They lose the white vote in those pithy 3-7 electoral vote redneck states, and as Romney and McCain saw, those states cannot get the GOP to 270.
Keep whistling past the graveyard, just like in 2010 and 2014.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Odd Trace doesn't want to remember 2012.when he though Mittens would win. POTUS brings out a diverse voting block. Off year never gets a good turnout.
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:56 PM
 
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I think HRC will win in 2016, but that will in turn engender a GOP gain in 2018 and a HRC win in 2020 will but the GOP into vetoproof land by 2022, just based on the continual polarization of the electorate.

The GOP Senators have a numbers game problem in 2016, but even with that 538 is projecting a 51-49 GOP split in 2016, then the Dems have a numbers problem in 2018 even worse than 2014. We will see.

Dems forgetting their rural roots: You should see the liberal demands in CA right now today that the Dems hit farmers harder on water rationing that the city dwellers. They have some legit stats to back up their position, but that will serve to polarize CA even more.

As for CA water, I am in far east county San Diego, got 4 wells drawing off of 4 completely different aquifers and one just tested at around 200 gal/min, and I did not even bother testing the others. I'm drafting designs for a 100K Gal underground tank, give me a perpetual 2 mo supply.
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