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Old 04-12-2015, 10:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Charisma piled on to what would have been a Dem win anyway, but looking at 697 electoral votes for BO, most in states with large margins, it was like complementing the scrub who hits a 3 with her team up 40 with 2 minutes left. Turnout is always high for POTUS. Even Gore/Bush drew tens of millions > out vs 1998.125 mill may not occur, but 120 mill will. No matter who runs.
People didn't vote for a dem, they voted for obama. Last time I checked he isn't running again.

The president is more about the person than the party. If the difference between the massive amount of red in the states and congress compared to obama presidential votes makes this obvious.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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If it were the person, 39 states plus DC must have felt the same 7 straight times (LOL)! They even liked Dukakis and Gore! WOW!

PS: Massive red is insignificant when it is mainly depopulated land mass. You want 270-stop failing to appeal to densely populated regions on both coasts.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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If it were the person, 39 states plus DC must have felt the same 7 straight times (LOL)! They even liked Dukakis and Gore! WOW!
Believe it or not, politics is cyclical. The people who say dems will never lose are the same as the republicans who said the same in 2004.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:45 PM
 
Location: NJ
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W won with a combined 17 electoral votes to spare, before the RWNJ had alienated Latinos. His 44% cannot be duplicated w/o reversing RWNJ damage of the brand. 17 votes does not allow for that damage.

W: 17 votes to spare (electoral); Obama 157 to spare. Which is bigger?
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"Thinking hillary will turn out blacks and youth like obama did is foolish at best."
That's where the Republican Party comes in -- the enmity is mutual.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The error in the GOP logic is they fail to see the backlash (predictable) of RWNJ views on Immigration Reform. It is analogous to the Akin comments on a different topic, it harms the GOP POTUS nominee, as it harms the brand. Much of it is due to the fact RWNJ's like that 95% of 2012 GOP primary voters were white, and 88% of Mittens voters were white. They hate diversity. That is fine, as long as they realize as long as their voting block lacks diversity, they lack a path to POTUS.
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Old 04-12-2015, 10:53 PM
 
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The error in the GOP logic is they fail to see the backlash (predictable) of RWNJ views on Immigration Reform. It is analogous to the Akin comments on a different topic, it harms the GOP POTUS nominee, as it harms the brand. Much of it is due to the fact RWNJ's like that 95% of 2012 GOP primary voters were white, and 88% of Mittens voters were white. They hate diversity. That is fine, as long as they realize as long as their voting block lacks diversity, they lack a path to POTUS.
That's funny, when more minorities are elected to majority white districts for republicans more than democrats.

Even look at the people getting pushed as republican candidate, multiple Hispanics, someone married to a hispanic and an Asian; from the dems we have 70 year old white Hillary, white warren with her fake Native American silliness and that is it.

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Old 04-12-2015, 11:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Worst still from demographic standpoint for those not courting Latino vote: On average, Latino citizens are a decade younger than US median age. That means, a much higher % are in the age group likely to have kids, vs US overall. We've just seen the beginning of a tremendous, long-term demographic shift. Embrace it, or get run over by it.
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Old 04-12-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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No, no, no! Perhaps the only candidate in the world who is more of an insider, more establishment, more boring, and less inspiring than Hillary Clinton is Jeb Bush. If the Republicans are stupid enough to nominate Jeb Bush and Americans are dumb enough to vote for him, they deserve a Hillary Clinton victory.

Honestly, what difference is there between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush other than gender, last name, and party affiliation? They both support Common Core, they both support the welfare state, they both support the "Patriot" Act, NDAA, warrant-less wiretapping, continual intervention abroad, etc. Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush as the candidates would be worse than a bad dream. If that happens though I guess H.L. Mencken was right all along:
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
The Republican primaries are geared to produce a RINO candidate just like the media tells the country club Republicans they want.
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Old 04-13-2015, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Is "Bush's Fault" overplayed? That's the real question.
Maybe in your mind, and those who believe as you do it is, but the very same thing can be said about the continual opposition to everything president Obama has done, including who he is as a human being.

The calamitous effects of the Bush presidency, especially the only pre-emptive war American ever entered into as a nation....
The "only pre-emptive war?"

I count 4 times that foreign enemies have attacked on US soil. And in the case of the war of 1812, it was only after we attacked Canada first, leaving us with 3 wars that were not preemptive. The Germans never attacked us in either WWI or WWII. Nor did the Koreans, Vietnamese, Yugoslavians, Panamanians, and a long list of others ever attack us before we went to war against them.
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