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Old 04-14-2015, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You mean they don't find the anti-immigrant GOP talk welcoming (LOL)!
The GOP is not anti-immigrant. The GOP is anti-illegal alien. And every true American should be, too.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Latinos 73% Obama, 27% Romney seemed to view it differently, in a situation that mattered.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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Latinos 73% Obama, 27% Romney seemed to view it differently, in a situation that mattered.
Trying to appease the GOP base on immigration and doing it in a way that doesn't offend Hispanic voters is a really difficult needle to thread.

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Old 04-14-2015, 07:40 PM
 
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I feel that, if Ms. Clinton is the Democratic nominee, a lot of Democrats will stay home come election day, unless the Republican nominee is truly repugnant (i.e., more so than Ms. Clinton). If the Republicans nominate someone that is more centrist (say, Jeb Bush), they will sweep to victory.

Of course, it is early days. Perhaps Ms. Clinton can repair her reputation (and I am not just talking about the email problem; she has a lot of baggage to explain away). She will probably spend the next year defending herself against repeated attacks: some justified, some not.

Isn't there some Democrat, perhaps someone about to be released from prison, that can run for the Democratic nomination?
Democrats will vote for their party's nominee for this reason: Supreme Court appointments. With a republican president replacing several elderly Supreme Court justices over the next several years, we can say goodbye to reproductive rights, goodbye to civil rights (nondiscrimination due to sexual orientation) and goodbye to separation of church & state. Democrats do not want to live in a theocracy, so they WILL vote!
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:58 PM
 
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The GOP is not anti-immigrant. The GOP is anti-illegal alien. And every true American should be, too.
I'm afraid our friends on the far left are incapable of discerning the difference. They are more interested in demagoging the issue, like Bobtn has done in numerous posts including the one you're responding to.
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:01 PM
 
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Democrats will vote for their party's nominee for this reason: Supreme Court appointments. With a republican president replacing several elderly Supreme Court justices over the next several years, we can say goodbye to reproductive rights, goodbye to civil rights (nondiscrimination due to sexual orientation) and goodbye to separation of church & state. Democrats do not want to live in a theocracy, so they WILL vote!
Hilarious. If GOP appointed judges were going to do all the things you're busy fearmongering about, you'd already be living in the fantasy theocracy you describe.

Fortunately most voters aren't so naive.
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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Even w/o the crash, IMO Obama would have won. Dems have 250+ electoral votes 6 straight times, and during that time the white % of total POTUS votes dropped >10%. The crash made 2008 an electoral rout, instead of a modest Obama win.

Now if the GOP had not rejected W's inclusiveness with Latinos this situation they are in would look much better. But W did this pre TP, pre anti-immigrant rhetoric, pre RWNJ rhetoric..a much better GOP atmosphere in a changing nation. It isn't changing back, so it is adapt or cease to be a credible possibility to win POTUS.
What HURT McCain in 2008 was him picking Palin as his VP. Too; like Hillary in 2016 IF she even survives the Dem primaries, many voters SEE her as being too close to Obama, like many of us Repubs saw McCain being too close to Bush 43.
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Old 04-14-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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Palin did add to Obama's margin.
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:40 PM
 
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What HURT McCain in 2008 was him picking Palin as his VP. Too; like Hillary in 2016 IF she even survives the Dem primaries, many voters SEE her as being too close to Obama, like many of us Repubs saw McCain being too close to Bush 43.
She and Obama were the only reasons to vote for McCain.
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:46 PM
 
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I doubt that Hillary is dumb enough to run on "Bush's fault," which has already been overplayed to the point of becoming a punch line for late night comics. Plus W Bush has been out of the picture for 6 years now. A first time (18 yr old) voter in 2016 will have been 10 years old when W left office.

She's going to be running on 'first female president,' which is the one real path to victory she has. Forget the blue wall. Obama got 55% of the female vote, and if Hillary can get to just 60%, she is assured of victory. The most a GOP candidate can hope to get is around 55% of the male vote, which would mean a solid victory margin for Hillary.
I would hope the women are not stupid enough to vote for her just because she is female. After all there will be a female president some day, hopefully a non polarizing and one with integrity. Clearly that is not Hillary.
So they must know not to think this is our one and only chance. I really do not believe they would be that stupid. If they are, our country is certainly already too far gone.
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