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As a progressive, I can't stand Hillary or the Clinton political machine.
Yes most liberal progressive people in the Democratic Party dislike Hillary and prefer Bernie Sanders. They prefer Bernie over Obama and Bernie is what we thought Obama was supposed to be.
Clinton pushed the Dem Party to the center-right. He made it cool for Wall St types and young entrepreneurs to vote Democrat.
Hillary represents a continuation of that. Heck Ann Coulter said she preferred Hillary over John McCain in '08 I believe!
But there's no way of kicking her out of the party as much as there's no way of marginalizing the Bushes.
I bet most of you right wingers are sick of the Bush clan. Same thing
You have the power to push her aside. You did it once before. A thing become impossible when people say that it is. I honestly believe the blue wall thing- either it holds or it doesn't. The presidency is not going to be chosen on candidates, but party affiliation. If the economy is good, the wall holds and Dems win. If it is bad, the wall collapses and the GOP wins. So I honestly believe that you could select anyone you want.
The irony about JEB is that he is moderate on some issues, especially, of course, immigration, but no, he is not my first choice. As a libertarian Republican, I think Rand Paul would be my first selection, and miraculously, he matches up best with Hillary in the latest polls.
You seem like a nice, respectable, honest progressive. Cheers.
As a progressive, I can't stand Hillary or the Clinton political machine.
Yes most liberal progressive people in the Democratic Party dislike Hillary and prefer Bernie Sanders. They prefer Bernie over Obama and Bernie is what we thought Obama was supposed to be.
Clinton pushed the Dem Party to the center-right. He made it cool for Wall St types and young entrepreneurs to vote Democrat.
Hillary represents a continuation of that. Heck Ann Coulter said she preferred Hillary over John McCain in '08 I believe!
But there's no way of kicking her out of the party as much as there's no way of marginalizing the Bushes.
I bet most of you right wingers are sick of the Bush clan. Same thing
Obama WAS what you thought he was when you voted for him, but a funny thing happened on the way to the Inauguration. All that money that got him elected was Wall Street money. Guess what. He moved right. Same thing will happen irrespective of who gets elected.
Obama WAS what you thought he was when you voted for him, but a funny thing happened on the way to the Inauguration. All that money that got him elected was Wall Street money. Guess what. He moved right. Same thing will happen irrespective of who gets elected.
No way! Bernie is backed mostly by unions. No corporate or Wall St money whatsoever. He wouldn't sell out. The issue for him will be dealing with a govt skewed toward the interests of the US Chamber of Commerce, the defense industry and lobbyists.
Look, except for the most brain dead, useful idiot faction of the Democratic party, we all know that she is a totally unqualified and uncompelling candidate with no tangible accomplishment to show after being hand picked and walked in to both a Senate seat (as a carpet bagger!) and a cabinet post.
Why are you voting for her? The "Russian reset?" Yeah, that worked out. Libya? Another unqualified success that. Maybe you attend a library or post office that was named by a Hillary Clinton Senate bill, because that is the most important thing she accomplished there. To date, her best accomplishment is totally botching the health care bill as First... errr.. Lady...and turning America right for a generation.
She has the charisma of reptile, and not even a charming little lizard but more like a noisy pit viper. What was your favorite moment in the first campaign? Her flipping out when challenged on driver's licensees for illegals during the first debate? Her faux black accent? Her crying in New Hampshire? Her Lying about being shot at in the helicopter? Anyone remember when she said that people should vote for her because she can get the votes of "hard-working white people?" Yes, a real political genius, this one is.
The woman literally goes beyond being dishonest...its almost as if she looks at lying as a virtue, or gets off on what she can get over on America. I am not even going to get into the scandals, because they speak for themselves, except to say the best one, involving Bill's association with a child pornographer, is still out there as yet unpopped.
Instead, let us talk about how the woman has no moral compass what-so-ever on issues. She believes in post modern truth: her most profound conviction is whatever is expedient at the moment. She was before the Iraq war before she was against it. She was against gay marriage before she was for it. She was a law and order Democrat, and now she wants to let everyone out of jail that she helped put there (well, that is giving her too much credit, but you get the point). She was against driver's licenses for illegals, and now she want to go father than Obama. THIS WOMAN IS MORALLY BANKRUPT and had no rasion d'etre for running others than that she really, really wants to be president. Are you really confident that if elected, she would even be on your side? Doesn't it concern you just a bit that she has always been, in your lingo, a corporate hack?
We ALL hate Hillary whether we admit it or not (I do of course).
Now here is my point for Dems: I keep hearing the bragging about the "blue wall." You start out with a massive electoral advantage! Those of us from the caveman party will have to pull an inside straight to win this thing. You can win without Florida, or even Ohio! And demographic changes only help you over time.
You could put up a brown paper bag with a smiling face written on it and it would beat our best candidate hands down...even though it had no hands!
Why not just ditch her again? You did it once. didn't it feel great? If you really want the first woman, you could put up that Elizabeth Warren, who is totally unobjectionable other than being a borderline socialist and a fake Indian. You can have the no-holds-barred political Robin Hood stealing and spending other people's money that you really want!
For the second time, you could stick it to Hilldog and still be guaranteed the election!
Just think it over. I would like to start a movement here. This is one issue that I think deep down Dems and us caveman can agree on... ANYONE BUT HILLARY!
Haha.
Your rhetoric is getting old. Is there really a division of two parties these days?
Recognizing that anybody who wants to be president is an ego maniac who will always put their self first it always comes down to the lesser of evils. I respect Hillary because she IS smart. I trust her about as much as I trust ANY politician. That said, if Bernie Sanders cannot get the nomination, I will be behind Hillary. What alternative do I have? Martin O'Malley is the biggest tax and spend democrat there is and then there are the republican candidates, all of whom sound like idiots catering to their idiotic base. Until the GOP starts embracing the whole country, instead of corporations and the social conservatives, they will continue to loose votes. But the Hillary bathers are entertaining me, she scares the hell out of republicans. That alone counts for something. Still, Sanders in 2016!
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Dems: You Hate Her and You Know It! Why Not Just Ditch Hillary Again?
Because the nominees of both major parties will be determined by which one people believe have a better chance of winning with little concern whether they'd make a good POTUS, that's modern two party politics and it offers nothing positive to the country.
Dems: You Hate Her and You Know It! Why Not Just Ditch Hillary Again?
Because the nominees of both major parties will be determined by which one people believe have a better chance of winning with little concern whether they'd make a good POTUS, that's modern two party politics and it offers nothing positive to the country.
We covered this in the initial post and several time subsequently, but I will be happy to reiterate because I want you to go out an vote against her.
There is no such thing as a candidate with the "better chance to win." Either the economy is good and the blue wall holds, or it is bad and it doesn't. Who the next president is going to be determined entirely a referendum on 8 years of Democratic rule.
Nominate anyone who so desire.
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Recognizing that anybody who wants to be president is an ego maniac who will always put their self first it always comes down to the lesser of evils. I respect Hillary because she IS smart. I trust her about as much as I trust ANY politician. That said, if Bernie Sanders cannot get the nomination, I will be behind Hillary. What alternative do I have? Martin O'Malley is the biggest tax and spend democrat there is and then there are the republican candidates, all of whom sound like idiots catering to their idiotic base. Until the GOP starts embracing the whole country, instead of corporations and the social conservatives, they will continue to loose votes. But the Hillary bathers are entertaining me, she scares the hell out of republicans. That alone counts for something. Still, Sanders in 2016!
Al that I am asking you to do it go out an vote to nominate your man Bernie. Sounds like you are already on board. Thanks for supporting he cause.
Anybody but Hillary!
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Haha.
Your rhetoric is getting old. Is there really a division of two parties these days?
They're both the same. Get over yourself!
Not sure where you learned to express yourself, but you haven't said anything here to respond to. In any event, anyone but Hillary!
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