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Old 10-10-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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Been comparing ideas of Bernie to FDR. It is as a reversal more on deflation instead of inflation. However, there idea's offer a lot if similarities.

What are your thought's on this? You notice the similarities?
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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I noticed a similarity and immediately thought of the FDR's WPA program during a speech the other day when Sanders talked about putting Americans to work on our infrastructure (bridges, roads).
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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Here's a major difference:

F.D.R. was proud of his country and taught us that we were uniquely American. I'm not a fan of his politics, but he at least respected our superiority and individuality as a nation.

Bernie, on the other hand, doesn't care that we're a strong and unique nation. He wants us to be like European nations at any cost. Uniquely American? That means nothing to Bernie.
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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FDR issued Executive Order 6102 which ordered all Americans to turn in all their gold dollars, gold bullion, anything gold to their nearest Federal Reserve Bank where they were given paper money at the rate of $20/ounce of gold. During this period the banks closed and safe deposit boxes were searched for gold too. (many people stated that other items were taken)

Anyone not turning in their gold dollars was subject to $10,000 fine and jail time. The prohibition on gold ownership was not lifted until 1971.

FDR then devalued these paper dollars by redefining the conversion rate to $32/ounce. (remember rest of world still used gold backed currency) and used the difference to pay for his social programs in the 1930s.

So most likely he and Bernie Sanders share many common thoughts.
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Old 10-10-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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I noticed a similarity and immediately thought of the FDR's WPA program during a speech the other day when Sanders talked about putting Americans to work on our infrastructure (bridges, roads).
Check this video out. I think it encapsulates it quite well:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUNzkj3Z3pA
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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Here's a major difference:

F.D.R. was proud of his country and taught us that we were uniquely American. I'm not a fan of his politics, but he at least respected our superiority and individuality as a nation.

Bernie, on the other hand, doesn't care that we're a strong and unique nation. He wants us to be like European nations at any cost. Uniquely American? That means nothing to Bernie.
Sanders cuts through the American exceptionalism trope and shows us exactly where we, as a country, are falling down. We are failing our middle and lower classes to enrich the top one percent. People work full time jobs and still fall below the poverty line while the CEOs they work for take multi million bonuses they earned on the backs of those workers, and then outsource more jobs so they can get even richer on the backs of even cheaper foreign labor. We fill our jails with people who smoke a little weed while the bankers who nearly destroyed our economy go unpunished. These are the issues that Sanders talks about. All of them, too, are "uniquely American," at least in today's America, but you seem okay what that.

It seems to me that by talking about these things he shows that he definitely cares about the real people who make up the backbone of this country. Much more so than the politicians who's only response is bigger tax cuts for the top earners.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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Sanders cuts through the American exceptionalism trope and shows us exactly where we, as a country, are falling down. We are failing our middle and lower classes to enrich the top one percent. People work full time jobs and still fall below the poverty line while the CEOs they work for take multi million bonuses they earned on the backs of those workers, and then outsource more jobs so they can get even richer on the backs of even cheaper foreign labor. We fill our jails with people who smoke a little weed while the bankers who nearly destroyed our economy go unpunished. These are the issues that Sanders talks about. All of them, too, are "uniquely American," at least in today's America, but you seem okay what that.

It seems to me that by talking about these things he shows that he definitely cares about the real people who make up the backbone of this country. Much more so than the politicians who's only response is bigger tax cuts for the top earners.
If that's our identity, so be it. Sanders can't whitewash it in one swoop.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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If that's our identity, so be it. Sanders can't whitewash it in one swoop.
You missed the point. He is not trying to whitewash these issues, he's trying to have a national discussion about them. It's every other politician who refuses to talk about the things that real Americans are struggling with who are doing the whitewashing.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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You missed the point. He is not trying to whitewash these issues, he's trying to have a national discussion about them. It's every other politician who refuses to talk about the things that real Americans are struggling with who are doing the whitewashing.
No, Sanders is advocating Scandinavian this, Scandinavian that. Does he not realize that we're nothing like Scandinavian countries economically, socially, or demographically? Maybe living in small, largely white Vermont makes him think that, but the rest of the country is much more economically engaged and diverse.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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No, Sanders is advocating Scandinavian this, Scandinavian that. Does he not realize that we're nothing like Scandinavian countries economically, socially, or demographically? Maybe living in small, largely white Vermont makes him think that, but the rest of the country is much more economically engaged and diverse.
And yet, we are facing problems that need better answers than tax cuts to the top earners, which is pretty much all we're hearing from the right wing candidates. Maybe it's time we looked at other options. If other countries have adopted policies that have raised the quality of life for their citizens, why shouldn't we look at those policies and see how we can adapt them to the States? Or are we too "unique" and "exceptional" to accept the fact that other countries have ideas that work better?
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