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Ahh so Lenin is the end all be all of authorities for you?
They are different words for a reason. Lenin had a goal in mind, and it wasn't socialism. And his quote....really doesn't make sense to be honest. socialism has little to do with "soon become accustomed to no one governing".
So if its not completely "Lenin", than the comparison holds no relevance in your mind?
Are you really this far out there that it doesnt matter to you the gradual movement the left is taking? Its pathetic the left has absolutely no capitalistic candidates anymore, I feel bad for you guys..
These Libs are so delusional. Some of them will say "Real socialism was never implemented anywhere". They were all corrupted versions of Marxism but the "real Marxism" is supposed to be "good".
I usually shut these clowns up by reminding them that in a true Marxist system, when you die, all your estate and inheritance goes to Government lol.
Like I said, if you are older than 17 and a Socialist, you must be an idiot.
Ahh...never mind, in context lenins quote makes some sense.
Lenin was talking about socialism being the thing that provides enough to all. What he was talking about was that eventually, due to various factors such as the ending of scarcity, socialism would create the material conditions necessary for communism to come about.
Except in reality, socialism doesnt come close to ending scarcity, in fact it provides even more of it, and thus yields a demand for even more governmental regulations to mandate x, y, and z, because government already mandated the environment in which they would occur naturally by demand.
I usually shut these clowns up by reminding them that in a true Marxist system, when you die, all your estate and inheritance goes to Government lol.
Like I said, if you are older than 17 and a Socialist, you must be an idiot.
It doesnt matter to many of them because their entire estate, as little as it is, comes as a result of governmental handouts to begin with, so in their mind, they justify its ok because they are only giving back what they already have taken. Its personal greed.. they are thrilled that others who have worked their entire life to leave an estate, have it all taken from them.. yaaa..
Except in reality, socialism doesnt come close to ending scarcity, in fact it provides even more of it, and thus yields a demand for even more governmental regulations to mandate x, y, and z, because government already mandated the environment in which they would occur naturally by demand.
That's certainly not the case in highly successful countries in Scandinavia, Switzerland, Germany etc, where Bernie Sanders draws inspiration from. They are generally just as competitive as the US if not more so, and the middle class is stronger and live in less financial fear than in the US. They are also more democratic, as the government responds to the needs of the people, not just endless wars, corporate welfare and Wall Street bailouts.
IMHO = Senator sanders misuses the term "socialist". This is strange as his polices are not socialist at all but are designed to reinforce capitalism by reducing the subsidies currently granted to big business in general and military suppliers in particular. Forcing the reduction on oligopoly makes the marker stronger. If a bank or any other business is too big to fail it is just another market dominating monopoly.
I believe we should elect Senator Sanders and implement his proposed policies. Doing so will make this country a better place to live for all of us not just the selected big businesses hogging the trough of government spending.
Not sure what your talking about, but the capitalist leaning posters here on CD were almost unanimously opposed to QE.
But yet backed candidates that supported it. There was basically only one candidate that did not.
It does no good to say you are against something but still vote for those that support it.
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Saving big business and banks from there poor management does nothing but encourage more poor management.
It might have been more painful in the short term, but better in the long term.IMHO.
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You might say that you didn't support nor vote for McCain or Romney, and maybe you didn't but they would have done the same thing and a very large portion of those who claim to dislike socialism did vote for them.
That's certainly not the case in highly successful countries in Scandinavia, Switzerland, Germany etc, where Bernie Sanders draws inspiration from. They are generally just as competitive as the US if not more so, and the middle class is stronger and live in less financial fear than in the US. They are also more democratic, as the government responds to the needs of the people, not just endless wars, corporate welfare and Wall Street bailouts.
Bernie Sanders is only offering the "free" handouts, but none of his proposals that I've seen so far move this nation to the tax structure required to pay for it because when the left discover that those who get to pay zero, have to now all of a sudden start giving up a good chunk of their income to taxes, they object. We've seen it time and time again.
Even the Obama debt commission which was created to create policies to balance the budget, came to the conclusion you have to start to tax the 50% of the nation which doesnt pay taxes, which is why it as quietly disbanded.
Actually he is running as a social democrat.....though I some times wonder what this rooted fear of socialism some on the right have....it really makes no sense....
Well it makes sense in that Republican voters were alive during the Red Scare.
I get the concern. I wouldn't want a socialist system here in the U.S. and I'm not on the right.
A monitored capitalist system works best.
And when monitored capitalist system begins to fail, in which it has in ways over the past few decades, then what? How to correct? It seems that even when our government attempts to intervene, its either evil or socialist attempts.
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