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Old 02-08-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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[url=http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-sanders-20160206-story.html]If Bernie Sanders loses, his backers may not be there for Hillary Clinton in November - LA Times[/url]

Wow, not I bet the GOP field really is pulling for Clinton.

I am excited, this is my presidential election I am legally allowed to vote in (turned 18 not too long ago)
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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I'm voting for Bernie. If Hillary wins I'm voting Vermin Supreme.
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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I'm voting for Bernie. If Hillary wins I'm voting Vermin Supreme.
Is that a new menu item at Taco Bell?
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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If Bernie Sanders loses, his backers may not be there for Hillary Clinton in November - LA Times

Wow, not I bet the GOP field really is pulling for Clinton.

I am excited, this is my presidential election I am legally allowed to vote in (turned 18 not too long ago)
Her campaign is insulting his supporters. Why would they be?
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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To tell you the truth, this doesn't surprise me at all. While both Bernie and Hillary may be running with a (D) in front of their name, their political ideology's are actually pretty far apart. While Hillary tries to paint herself as a "pragmatic progressive" - in reality she is actually much more of a moderate and closer to center than Bernie.

While Hillary tries to paint herself as a progressive today, one can easily look into her past and find out that many of her positions are not that different than her GOP counterparts. From voting for DOMA in the 90's, to voting for the Iraq war in 2003, and her overall very hawkish positions on foreign policy, Hillary has proven time and time again to favor more centrist political positions. Heck, she was a self-described "Goldwater Girl" in the 1960's and only switched to more liberal views upon meeting Bill in the early 70's.

As a Bernie supporter and millennial myself, I believe I speak for many in my generation when I say we have a hard time trusting Hillary Clinton (or any Clinton for that matter.) I was young during Bill Clinton's administration, but I do have recollection of the sexual impropriety scandal leveled against him in the late 90's, and I believe that had much to do when it came to shaping my views about him, and to a lesser extent, his wife.

While I'm certainly not blaming Hillary for her husband's impropriety, she lost some credibility with me when she came out in support of her husband and even went as far as to silence the allegations against her husband and shame the women who spoke out against him.

What's more, the recent baggage involving her private email server usage while SoS, her ties to Wall Street as Senator, the enormous speaking fees she received from Goldman Sachs, and the questionable contributions made by foreign governments to her "charity" (some would call it an illegal slush fund) while she was SoS all add to the narrative that she is untrustworthy, elusive and that she has ulterior, more nefarious motives in mind. Additionally, one can look back decades and find questionable business dealings - for example the notorious whitewater scandal in the eighties and the mysterious death of Vince Foster.

As if all of the above wasn't enough to drive off young people in droves from supporting Hillary, having former Secretary of State Madeline Albright say there is a "special place in hell" for young women that don't vote for women is quite insulting to people of my generation, and I say this as a male voter. It conveys an entitlement attitude: "It's my turn to be president because history has ordained me to be the first female president - if you don't vote for me you're sexist." Making this type of insinuation is insulting to many people, both young and old.

Compare all of the baggage and questionable ethics of the Clinton dynasty with Bernie Sanders, a self described democratic socialist from Vermont who has been working for the common man his entire life without bending to special interests and dark money contributions. Bernie's views haven't changed with the political winds such as is the case with Hillary - he was on the front lines against racial segregation in the 1960's, actually being arrested while protesting against segregation in Chicago.

Bernie's constant message against income inequality, reforming campaign finance laws, reducing the power of corporations and big banks, and putting the power of government back in the hands of the everyday person is appealing to many people of my generation whose darkest memories include the disastrous Iraqi war, the Hurricane Katrina response disaster, and the financial meltdown of 2008 - which was directly caused by lax financial regulations and banks and insurance corporations that were "too big too fail."

If Hillary is the democratic nominee I will not vote for her - none of the GOP candidates seem particularly appealing to be either - but if the hypothetical match-up was between Clinton and Trump, I would vote for Trump only because he is a political outsider and he seems brash enough to shake up Washington, although I highly doubt for the better.
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Old 02-08-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Bernie or bust. Hillary- and all the other major candidates, are the same as far as I'm concerned-all funded and supported by Wall Street and the "corruption as usual" status quo.


If Hillary wins the nomination it makes absolutely no difference who wins the general election.
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Old 02-08-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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That is exactly how we ended up with Nixon.
When McCarthy lost the nomination, too many of my peers took their marbles and went home, handing the election to Nixon.

It this year is deja vu and Cruz or Trump or Rubio is elected, well I survived Nixon so I'll survive any of them.
But I'll be very disappointed in today's young people.
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Old 02-08-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Clinton's strategic mistake is in starting a war with progressives. Bill Clinton made a deal with the progressive/liberal wing of the party by telling them that you will be better off with me in office than the Republicans. It got him elected 2x and the same tactic worked for Obama.

So it's completely mind blowing that a couple who is supposed to be as politically saavy as the Clintons would do this now. It will be interesting to see how many from the progressive wing will drink the Clinton koolaid yet again and forgive them for this scorched earth policy.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I am supporting Sanders and will vote for him in the Primary. With that being said if he doesn't win the nomination I will certainly vote for Hillary in the General.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:12 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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If Bernie Sanders loses, his backers may not be there for Hillary Clinton in November - LA Times

Wow, not I bet the GOP field really is pulling for Clinton.

I am excited, this is my presidential election I am legally allowed to vote in (turned 18 not too long ago)
That would be their foolish mistake. I hope they enjoy President Cruz and his theocracy.

There is no 'perfect' candidate. Not one. Not Bernie. Not Hillary. Not Trump. Not ~ well, you get the picture.

I would vote for either Hillary or Bernie as opposed to any of the Republicans currently running. Their beliefs are not mine.
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