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It IS easy to say because I am an American, and Americans are not supposed to support torture. Americans hold themselves out to be better than those who would torture prisoners. And it saddens me to see that many people here don't see us that way. They want us to become the animals we claim to hate.
It saddens me as well. American values are no longer American.
Like I said, I won't discuss this with you because I will always lose when you bring American ideals into the discussion. You won, happy?
I would be happier if we could agree that torture is not what we want to stand for as Americans in the world. And I don't mean to single you out here. You at least are able to have a reasonable discussion about it. Too many others on this board won't bat an eye at Americans using torture on prisoners, even as they wave the flag and declare their love for this country.
So it is OK to waterboard suspects? What if they are actually innocent and have no answers to give? Does it then become "Sorry about that"?
What if they aren't? What if they do have the answers that could save hundreds, or thousands of innocent lives?
You'd be better served to talk about how local police use torture on hundreds of citizens every day. Sleep and water deprivation, tag team interrogations, and tools to commit battery which leave no marks.
I have little remorse for those who would/could seek to destroy America, especially the snakes from within.
I would be happier if we could agree that torture is not what we want to stand for as Americans in the world. And I don't mean to single you out here. You at least are able to have a reasonable discussion about it. Too many others on this board won't bat an eye at Americans using torture on prisoners, even as they wave the flag and declare their love for this country.
I appreciate the civil discourse.
I think these are two separate issues.
We are not fighting a conventional war. There is only a fine line between friends and foes.
I don't have a solution and I honestly don't know if waterboarding is an effective interrogation technique. I've read many articles online and some say it is, some say it is not. But waterboarding has been used by many countries during war time. Combat troops, especially special forces would rather die before getting caught. war is a different animal.
I dont want to discuss who is more American, I want to discuss what interrogation technique is more effective. But to tell me interrogation techniques should never be used is simply insane.
"Despite what your momma told you, violence does solve problems." - Chris Kyle. Not politically correct to say I am sure, but it is true.
It is my understanding that waterboarding is part of training for our own military. Two of my sons, and a DIL have been through SEER school, and other types of Special Forces training in which they got to "learn" about waterboarding, up close and personal. It seems to me that once you know that you will not drown, waterboarding loses its effectiveness.
I have now seen 2 great instructional movies on waterboarding:
So we should be as bad as they are. We should become that which we most abhor. That will show them.
Sigh, indeed...
If we stopped getting involved in foreign BS, and that included the acceptance of refugees, then we would not be in a position to stooping to their level.
If we stopped getting involved in foreign BS, and that included the acceptance of refugees, then we would not be in a position to stooping to their level.
We should be strong enough not to stoop to their level no matter what they are doing. If we're not, then our ideals really aren't very strong to begin with, are they?
No, American ideals shouldn't be suspended in time of war. If anything, that's when we show who we really are. What good are ideals if they can be suspended at will?
I am sure you are typing these words from the safety of your basement. BTW, nothing is being “suspended”.
I am sure you are typing these words from the safety of your basement.
As are you, tough guy.
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Originally Posted by HappyRider
BTW, nothing is being “suspended”.
You're right, I should have said thrown away completely. Which is what we do when we torture people.
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