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Old 11-29-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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The reasons they dislike us. It's been covered here over and over and over.
i never gave any reasons WHY they dislike us, just that they have not liked us long before trump ran for president.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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I agree. but let's not pretend Charlie Hebdo attack: Three days of terror is the result of foreign policy.
In large part it is. The extremists groups are able to rise up when people have nothing to lose. When we help destroy everything they have people turn to extremism because they see no other way out.

If the people have something to lose they do not allow the extremists to take over.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Not our problem. How do we react when the U.N. butts into our affairs?
It becomes our problem when that ideology spreads to places like say Paris, what's next, London, NYC. So I can pretty much guarantee if we pulled out every single interest in the Mid East, I mean just left, pulled embassy's everything, I can assure you the caliphate and world domination of Islam would still make it on the ISIS, and Al Queda and every other offshoots agenda for their Monday morning meetings.

People get the cart before the horse argument wrong on this deal.
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Quit involving ourselves in their affairs, quit bombing their houses, quit bombing their businesses and fewer need to immigrate.
That makes too much sense. If we do that, Obama is accused of being a muslim sympathizer, despite the fact that we cannot bomb our way out of this.

It will not satisfy the John Wayne types who misguidedly believe the US needs to lead the world in bombing the s**t out of everyone they hate and fear. These reactions are not based on logic--they are based on macho emotion.

Then after we destroy all the infrastructure in the area, we have to leave 'peacekeeping troops' and pay to rebuild their countries. We have enough infrastructure of our own to rebuild and it would actually put people to work (other than the military).
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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In large part it is. The extremists groups are able to rise up when people have nothing to lose. When we help destroy everything they have people turn to extremism because they see no other way out.

If the people have something to lose they do not allow the extremists to take over.
Very foolish and totally wrong statement. There are many muslims becoming extreme and plotting to kill westerners that have and continue to live fat and happy in western countries where they have easy lives. They can be doctors and come from any walk of life. They are not people with nothing left to lose!
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Old 11-29-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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In large part it is. The extremists groups are able to rise up when people have nothing to lose. When we help destroy everything they have people turn to extremism because they see no other way out.

If the people have something to lose they do not allow the extremists to take over.

Agreed. Look at the Palestinians. They have nothing to lose except there lives.
Same as in Honduras with little kids. They emulate MS 13 leaders because they have absolutely nothing and never did.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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In large part it is. The extremists groups are able to rise up when people have nothing to lose. When we help destroy everything they have people turn to extremism because they see no other way out.

If the people have something to lose they do not allow the extremists to take over.
ISIS is recruiting Muslims from all over Europe and the Western world.

What you are saying doesn't apply to Islamic terrorism.
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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It becomes our problem when that ideology spreads to places like say Paris,
Do you not understand that Paris happened because Paris first got involved in their affairs and we have been involved for 60 years before Paris?

Just a simply question. Are you now able to grasp this?
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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That makes too much sense. If we do that, Obama is accused of being a muslim sympathizer, despite the fact that we cannot bomb our way out of this.
What others argue should be irrelevant.

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It will not satisfy the John Wayne types who misguidedly believe the US needs to lead the world in bombing the s**t out of everyone they hate and fear. These reactions are not based on logic--they are based on macho emotion.
This ignores the point that Obama did get involved and much of the left is now quiet. Are they all John Wayne types now? No, this is NOT a problem that solely lies with one side.

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Then after we destroy all the infrastructure in the area, we have to leave 'peacekeeping troops' and pay to rebuild their countries. We have enough infrastructure of our own to rebuild and it would actually put people to work (other than the military).
So where are those demanding this?
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Old 11-29-2015, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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If there were 0 Muslims here, then we'd have no problem. There needs to be a long term strategy to encourage Muslims to return to their homelands.
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