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Old 02-03-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I remember at the last elections, Ron Paul supporters were in a state of euphoria, being sure he is the savior send by heaven to save America. He has to be elected, one of them told me. This is our last chance as nation to survive. Well, we all know the rest.
Bernie Sanders is the same kind of candidate. It's a weird situation. If Hillary cannot run for any reason, Bernie is the only player left. However, I have to curb your enthusiasm but after November Bernie will get back to obscurity, away from the spotlights.
Bottom line: America will never elect somone like him for President.
I agree with your end result, but not how you got there as Bernie Sanders in no Ron Paul, and thats a compliment.
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Old 02-03-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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If a business offshores a job to another country, under what jurisdiction does the country have to legislate a business who DOES NOT STAY HERE?

Maybe the better solution is to stop creating an environment to encourage them to leave!!

i'm not sure if Trump actually sat on both sides, licensing your name out to another business, isnt really the same as doing business, but even if it is, wouldnt someone who's actually done it, know why it was done, and be in a better position to stop encouraging it in the future rather than just some politician who runs around talking about the notion it needs to stop while they support policies which would increase it?

What environment is the U.S. Congress creating that has Chinese workers earning $300/month? Do you believe that U.S. corporate regulations are responsible for that?

For example, how is it possible that I can purchase a wireless mouse for my computer from China and have it delivered for under $4.00 ? That price includes the mouse and shipping from China. Somebody in China has to be subsidizing their industries to keep employment up even at $300/month.

The reason why they are leaving is because of cheap labor (really cheap labor). Raw materials have an international price, shipping costs have an international price - the difference is labor.
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Old 02-03-2016, 08:06 PM
 
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I agree with your end result, but not how you got there as Bernie Sanders in no Ron Paul, and thats a compliment.
I didn't compare the two men, just wanted to illustrate a situation.
College kids like playing these games of "what if". What if America wakes up one morning to find Bernie Sanders in the oval office? Would the US become a socialist country overnight? What if 90% of house representatives become socialists? What if US dismantles its military one day? Of course we would have billions more to spend on needy people...no?
At my age I am done with these games and prefer dealing with reality as it is, even if not perfect.
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Old 02-03-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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What environment is the U.S. Congress creating that has Chinese workers earning $300/month? Do you believe that U.S. corporate regulations are responsible for that?

For example, how is it possible that I can purchase a wireless mouse for my computer from China and have it delivered for under $4.00 ? That price includes the mouse and shipping from China. Somebody in China has to be subsidizing their industries to keep employment up even at $300/month.

The reason why they are leaving is because of cheap labor (really cheap labor). Raw materials have an international price, shipping costs have an international price - the difference is labor.
Cheap labor was always available elsewhere. Companies move elsewhere to avoid far more than just salaries.. ACA for example, and other legislations like it..
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Old 02-04-2016, 12:38 AM
 
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I remember at the last elections, Ron Paul supporters were in a state of euphoria, being sure he is the savior send by heaven to save America. He has to be elected, one of them told me. This is our last chance as nation to survive. Well, we all know the rest.
Before Paul, there was Perot and McCarthy. At times I have to remind myself that to today's youngsters Bernie is their McCarthy and Clinton is their Humphrey. Good times and memories for me, I'm just glad they care. The beat goes on.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The grassroots revolution continues! Taking back the government from the hands of the special interest campaign donors is a work in progress as we speak. Among both conservatives, independents and progressives people have had enough.

Small donors and ordinary Americans are funding the biggest grassroots revolution in US political history. Bernie Sanders has raised about $3 million in the past 24 hours post-Iowa caucuses. It's the biggest 1-day money haul of the Sanders campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ion-aides-say/
Bernie is a nice guy that is offering up some nice sounding illusions that a lot of people like to think is possible to accomplish in 4 or 8 years. That is a fallacy. Clinton is realistic in that in order to achieve the same things, she realizes that it's only possible over a long time and a lot of political cooperation. If there is to be political cooperation, the American people will have to elect those people that will cooperate with each other. So, for those who like the illusion Bernie provides, vote for Clinton and have a chance to see those illusions become real.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Bernie is a nice guy that is offering up some nice sounding illusions that a lot of people like to think is possible to accomplish in 4 or 8 years. That is a fallacy. Clinton is realistic in that in order to achieve the same things, she realizes that it's only possible over a long time and a lot of political cooperation. If there is to be political cooperation, the American people will have to elect those people that will cooperate with each other. So, for those who like the illusion Bernie provides, vote for Clinton and have a chance to see those illusions become real.
Clinton? I want her in the "BIG" house, not the White House. No morals, no integrity and a real, well, we all know.

I believe that Sanders won Iowa as do many others. As we know all kinds of cheating is characteristic of the Clintons and most people know not to cross them unless they want to end up having an "accident" or committing suicide.

Trump is my first choice and Bernie my second. Bernie has intelligence, integrity and patriotism which are 3 things that Clinton doesn't have a clue about. I am so glad to see him doing well and would move my support to him if Trump is not the GOP nominee and Bernie is the Dem nominee.

A vote for Bernie is a vote for the country, making us a better country. Although it sounds like it would be impossible, I remember the America that Trump is talking about and at that time, Bernie's ideas could have been worked into play in our country. Bernie remembers this also I am sure.

The perfect ticket for me would be Trump/Sanders. Trump knows how to bring in the cash and Sanders knows how to spend it to make the country great again.

This is one woman who uses criteria other than "gender" to choose a leader for our country.

My best wishes for Sanders will continue as will my prayers that old Hillary reaps what she sows!
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Old 02-04-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Bernie is a nice guy that is offering up some nice sounding illusions that a lot of people like to think is possible to accomplish in 4 or 8 years. That is a fallacy. Clinton is realistic in that in order to achieve the same things, she realizes that it's only possible over a long time and a lot of political cooperation. If there is to be political cooperation, the American people will have to elect those people that will cooperate with each other. So, for those who like the illusion Bernie provides, vote for Clinton and have a chance to see those illusions become real.
That's what Al "the realist" Smith said in the '32 Democratic nomination as well and FDR was laughed at as a visionary and dreamer. "the realist" is always the candidate who wants to keep the current status quo intact. Thank goodness the American people chose real change, not "no we can't". Starting negotiations from an already compromised position is a terrible bargaining strategy to begin with. FDR aimed for the moon and settled for great progressive change (which Al Smith called anti-business and anti-American as he was deeply beholden to corporate America).
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:49 AM
 
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We the wealthy became as a result of GOVERNMENT mandating legislation which limited competition, ie UNAMERICAN...
We the wealthy came as a result of the Supreme Court decision allowing corporations to influence elections by removing the ban on corporate spending on candidate elections.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Cheap labor was always available elsewhere. Companies move elsewhere to avoid far more than just salaries.. ACA for example, and other legislations like it..
Yep. The environment is a big one. In many cities in China, you can no longer see the sun on most days due to the air pollution.
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