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If it is a government of the people and people elect their leaders how in the hell can you say it's not rigged when 700 people can be bought and override the will of millions? Why even have super delegates? WTH is wrong with people?
I didn't say the system was right or fair, in fact if you read my entire post you will see that I conceded that possibility. In fact, I'll go on record right now as saying it should be changed so that the candidate is fully elected by the people with no individual's vote carrying more weight than another. Happy?
I was simply refuting another posters claim that the system was specifically rigged so that Hillary would win. It's not. It was in place years before she thought about running.
All that being said, I wonder how many Sanders supporters would be up in arms about this if the superdelegate poll results were skewed toward Bernie?
I was simply refuting another posters claim that the system was specifically rigged so that Hillary would win. It's not. It was in place years before she thought about running.
For 45+ years, since 1968 to be precise.
In 2008, Obama successfully used "the system" against her. She and her supporters dealt with it in a mature manner, they in some cases legally challenged the results but accepted the subsequent rulings and didn't whine or threaten to take their ball and go home. She endorsed him and called for party unity, her supporters helped elect Obama.
This is one more reason why the American people are fed up with the system and not voting for establishment candidates.
What business is it of Americans how the Democratic Party establishes its internal rules? As for the " dreaded Super Delegates they are party officials who have been elected by Democrats to make the best decisions that they deem to be in the best interest of the Democratic Party.
Dems the rules and those have been the rules for quite sometime. Of course the Party could go old school and skip the whole primary thing all together and just let the DNC and state chairs do the deciding.
By the way, the Super Delegates committed to Howard Dean who eventually lost to Kerry, so Democratic voters have proven the ability of Democratic voters to defy the DNC and elected instead a p.o.s. candidate like Kerry.
You are counting unpledged delegates. Sanders is in the lead if you dont count the party big wig superdelegates. These delegates wont dare to ignore the will of the people and ram through Clinton because it would destroy the party and ensure a Republican presidency.
These delegates wont dare to ignore the will of the people and ram through....
"Ram it through!" -progressive leftist commentariat on ACA, in Salon.com, 2010
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You are counting unpledged delegates. Sanders is in the lead if you dont count the party big wig superdelegates. These delegates wont dare to ignore the will of the people and ram through Clinton because it would destroy the party and ensure a Republican presidency.
You are counting unpledged delegates. Sanders is in the lead if you dont count the party big wig superdelegates. These delegates wont dare to ignore the will of the people and ram through Clinton because it would destroy the party and ensure a Republican presidency.
Ignore the will of people? Well Hillary got 17.9 million votes in 2008 and didn't get the nomination. Start talking about the system when your candidate has 17.9 million votes.
Ignore the will of people? Well Hillary got 17.9 million votes in 2008 and didn't get the nomination. Start talking about the system when your candidate has 17.9 million votes.
Again keep in mind the Caucus was counted differently and only Clinton appeared on the MI ballot after they were stripped of their delegates.
2382 delegates need to win Dem nomination
1237 delegates needed to win Rethuglican nomination
Of course that also includes the unpledged delegates, who are not set in stone and can change.
Of the pledged delegates it is 36-32 in favor of Sanders and could actually flip to 37-31 in favor of Sanders because of how close Iowa was (the O'Malley pledged state delegates and a slight change could move a delegate from Clinton to Sanders)
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Thurs., Feb. 11 delegate count: Clinton 394, Sanders 44
