Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-12-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
16,216 posts, read 11,343,520 times
Reputation: 20828

Advertisements

How is Donald Trump going to "build a wall" and end free trade when he becomes president?

Neither Trump, nor any other cheap political bozo, can "end free trade"; nor can any supposed expression of the will of "the people" via a plebiscite. Free trade is what happens when artificial forms of interference, such as tariffs, are removed -- it can't be "abolished" -- only impeded.

Free trade acts by encouraging the exchange of goods and services to erase an artificial advantages. And the inconvenient truth is that fewer such advantages were more apparent than in the late Forties in North America, when the ravages of war and the emergence of institutionalized Marxism took most of the competition off the table -- until the natural forces of the markets made themselves felt, as they almost always will.

The source of the frustrations can also be identified via the constantly-changing nature of the hierarchy of human want. The basics -- the things necessary to organize and operate a household -- have never been cheaper in terms of the amount of time invested in order to earn them. But once we obtain a full stomach, a warm, dry place to sleep, and the more simple enhancements like electric power and heated running water, any improvement upon those desires usually requires the input of somebody else's time and attention. And we have further underpinned and stabilized our markets by requiring that any documented hired labor be subject to the tax contributions that fund the "social contract". Hence, the constantly growing temptation to work "off the grid" and/or "under the table", and it's the guys, gals, and families who still play by the rules who have to take up the slack.

And more as an afterthought, I'd like to point out that the old, production-oriented economy was somewhat kinder to those of us who recognize that life becomes more and more of a defensive battle as one advances in years. The surge in service-based jobs suited the former stay-at-home spouse or teenager entering the labor force, but a displaced mature industrial worker isn't going to have much enthusiasm for retraining that constantly puts a demanding customer living on transfer payments, let alone a not-fully-rational inhabitant of a medical facility or other institution, "in your face".

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." (Walt Kelly -- 1971)

Last edited by 2nd trick op; 02-12-2016 at 06:56 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
24,621 posts, read 19,177,123 times
Reputation: 21743
Quote:
Originally Posted by kat in aiken View Post
trump EO # 1 - I declare NAFTA null and void.

trump EO # 2 - I declare this fence to be a wall.

Sure, it is that easy.
Um, that's just how easy it really is.

You might want to read Article II Section I of the US Constitution.

When you get done with that, you might want to read Article 2205 of NAFTA, which expressly states that any party may withdraw from the Treaty upon providing notice 6 months in advance.

NAFTA - Chapter 22

Quote:
Article 2205: Withdrawal A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.
So, any US president can withdraw from NAFTA simply by sending a communique to the governments of Canada and Mexico notifying them of the intent of the US to withdraw effective 6 months from the date received.

No Executive Order is needed.

I might remind you that Obama and also Hillary both promised to withdraw from NAFTA, but only in an attempt to renegotiate the conditions of the Treaty.

Both failed to keep their promise.

As far as the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement:

Quote:
Article 30.6 Withdrawal

1. Any Party may withdraw from this Agreement by providing written notice of withdrawal to the Depositary. A withdrawing Party shall simultaneously notify the other Parties of its withdrawal through the contact points.

2. A withdrawal shall take effect six months after a Party provides written notice to the Depositary under paragraph 1, unless the Parties agree on a different period. If a Party withdraws, this Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties
The Despositary is New Zealand in case anyone was wondering.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
23,795 posts, read 13,271,773 times
Reputation: 19952
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris347 View Post
That's hilarious. All the folks that like Trump are "Low Information Voters" yet Trump haters, a small minority of obsessed abnormal folks, are the Informed ones? That's cute...
Funny you should bring that up. Saw an interview the other night.

A Trump supporter said "China will pay for the wall."

Another one said the goal is the "defeation of ISIS."

Another one said "because he is going to defeat The ISIS (yes, she did), but can't give a plan because someone might hear it." It was hysterical.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:15 PM
 
62,974 posts, read 29,170,163 times
Reputation: 18597
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW View Post
The only WALL I want to see is the one that keeps the Islamic Wackos isolated in Arabia where they can keep busy killing each other.


I see no reason to be so paranoid about illegal immigration from the Christian (yes, Bubba Catholics are Christians) societies of Central and South America. Aside from the gang related criminals that are no different from gang related immigrants from Ireland or Sicily in a previous day, these people make good neighbors.
Right, they don't take jobs that Americans need, reduce wages, add to our tax liabilities, overcrowd our schools, jails and hospitals, etc. No problem, right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:16 PM
 
62,974 posts, read 29,170,163 times
Reputation: 18597
Quote:
Originally Posted by BucFan View Post
Wall alone will cost $25 bilion just to build. We could take it out of their half billion foreign aid, but that's US paying for it, not Mexico. The cost to provide manned security for the thousands of miles could be billions annually. Pipe dream.

We're already spending billions on illegal aliens. Put a stop to it and those costs will go down.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:23 PM
 
62,974 posts, read 29,170,163 times
Reputation: 18597
Quote:
Originally Posted by kat in aiken View Post
State's rights come into play - each state determines for itself how employment legality will be tested. Do you want to see an even bigger uproar than the one over gay marriage, all over state's rights?

States don't have the right to violate Federal Immigration laws.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
9,828 posts, read 9,422,622 times
Reputation: 6288
Trump is going to bring back slave labor, which the Chinese used to great effect in constructioning their wall all those years ago. One million casaulties and several centuries later, it's nothing more than a giant tourist trap.

Trump is a farce.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,878,633 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey View Post
Please answer. Since when has America become a monarchy?
Since when have we had free trade?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
16,569 posts, read 15,284,785 times
Reputation: 14591
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey View Post
Please answer. Since when has America become a monarchy?
They have already written it into law but nobody is doing anything about it. I am confident Trump will personally jump in the backhoe and start digging the day after inauguration. That is how motivated he is. Can you see Cruz doing that? No, but he will "talk" about it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-12-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
16,216 posts, read 11,343,520 times
Reputation: 20828
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives View Post
Trump is going to bring back slave labor, which the Chinese used to great effect in constructioning their wall all those years ago. One million casaulties and several centuries later, it's nothing more than a giant tourist trap.

Trump is a farce.

"Tinfoil hat syndrome" seems to be spreading around here, and not among those of us in Right, or even Center Field.

Last edited by 2nd trick op; 02-12-2016 at 06:58 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top