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Old 02-13-2016, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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In my view, if you are supporting Trump, who has nothing but platitudes and unworkable simplistic one-liners as policy proposals, and think he's going to solve Americans complicated problems, you've already checked your logic lobes at the door.
Looks like you prefer 2500 page legislations that nobody reads or understands. Solutions that work are often short and simple. Everybody talks about high drug prices but I haven't heard one person ever offer a solution. Last night Trump had one that is imminently workable.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Looks like you prefer 2500 page legislations that nobody reads or understands. Solutions that work are often short and simple. Everybody talks about high drug prices but I haven't heard one person ever offer a solution. Last night Trump had one that is imminently workable.
We elected legislators and expect them to read the bills or at least have their staff read them. Saying, "this bill is just too long," is idiotic. We live in a complicated world that requires lots of detail. I am sure people from the Know Nothing Party want every bill to fit on the back of an envelope and not to use big words that they don't understand, but that isn't how a modern country works. Want simplicity? Then you leave laws open for loopholes that smart lawyers exploit.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Assuming there was a wall, which is doubtful based upon the engineering hurdle and anyone who can hold it up in court because it prevents the shark-billed spotted wedbird from migrating, apart from "simply no way they [Mexico] can escape paying for the wall," I don't see anyway they can be forced to pay for it. It's just a silly sophomoric idea.
Those shiny Fords coming over are going to get hit with 35% tariff, a portions of it goes to the wall. We have all the cards. They are trying to sell us their goods, remember?
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Those shiny Fords coming over are going to get hit with 35% tariff, a portions of it goes to the wall. We have all the cards. They are trying to sell us their goods, remember?
This simplistic answer displays profound lack of knowledge in this area. A president can't impose a tariff. That's the domain of Congress and I doubt Congress will do such a thing.

Next, adding this tariff violates all kinds of other international agreements that you would also need to abrogate. Much of those agreements benefit American manufacturing.

Now, if on the outside chance you do get such a tariff through Congress, that 35% tariff hurts American consumers, who then have a more expensive car. It also hurts the U.S. supplier chain that supplies the parts to Mexican made Fords.

There are also thousands of other ramifications that I am not going to think about but that's the general idea. Trump supporters want quick simplistic solutions to complex problems that cannot be satisfied with quick simplistic policies. Shooting from the hip isn't leadership.
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:26 PM
 
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Those shiny Fords coming over are going to get hit with 35% tariff, a portions of it goes to the wall. We have all the cards. They are trying to sell us their goods, remember?
You know they are not trying to sell you anything, it's American companies who's stock is part of people's retirement funds, those are American companies who moved manufacturing over to Mexico because the government promised them no tariffs, changing those will only hurt American companies.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Trump is speaking in Tampa right now. Last I checked there were 14,500 streams on you tube. The place is packed to the rafters with "only" 10,000 people.
yet he can't seem to tap into 70% of the GOP electorate and maintains high unfavs. Ever wonder why?
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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This simplistic answer displays profound lack of knowledge in this area. A president can't impose a tariff. That's the domain of Congress and I doubt Congress will do such a thing.

Next, adding this tariff violates all kinds of other international agreements that you would also need to abrogate. Much of those agreements benefit American manufacturing.

Now, if on the outside chance you do get such a tariff through Congress, that 35% tariff hurts American consumers, who then have a more expensive car. It also hurts the U.S. supplier chain that supplies the parts to Mexican made Fords.

There are also thousands of other ramifications that I am not going to think about but that's the general idea. Trump supporters want quick simplistic solutions to complex problems that cannot be satisfied with quick simplistic policies. Shooting from the hip isn't leadership.
You reply with an insult followed by a bunch of hypotheticals & FUD which don't address what can be done. The party you are responding to is correct. The USA can change the agreement how ever it likes. It's not like they can do anything about it.

Consumers are hurt by not having jobs. Pulling out of these free trade agreements will fix that.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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yet he can't seem to tap into 70% of the GOP electorate and maintains high unfavs. Ever wonder why?
Hmm. Polling doesn't show this.

He has an RCP average of 40% in Florida an one recent poll puts him at 48% there.

Florida is a winner take all state in terms of delegates.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Lots of protesters in thebackground......guess it as among the 70% unfav group.......
How do you know? Were you there?
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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