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Old 02-16-2016, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Go ahead, vote for Trump in the primary. This way we get a Democrat in the White House. Which is a good thing, IMO.

I was a Democrat for most of my life. The last decade I was an Independent. About three weeks ago I became a Republican for the first time in my life - just so I could vote for Trump. I am not alone; many Democrats and Independents are also voting for Trump. We really want change and not empty promises.


You think this is going to make it a sure win for the Democrats? I don't think so! All signs point to a pretty good horse race and I think that it is very possible Trump can win - it might even be a landslide with the right conditions. The field is starting to narrow and most of those votes will go to Trump. Of course there will be dissenters that jump to Sanders (I seriously do not think Hillary will pick up many).
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Old 02-16-2016, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I was a Democrat for most of my life. The last decade I was an Independent. About three weeks ago I became a Republican for the first time in my life - just so I could vote for Trump. I am not alone; many Democrats and Independents are also voting for Trump. We really want change and not empty promises.


You think this is going to make it a sure win for the Democrats? I don't think so! All signs point to a pretty good horse race and I think that it is very possible Trump can win - it might even be a landslide with the right conditions. The field is starting to narrow and most of those votes will go to Trump. Of course there will be dissenters that jump to Sanders (I seriously do not think Hillary will pick up many).
Will Trump eventually get the nomination and or win in November? That is anyone's guess, but if you think the candidates dropping out is a win for him, think again? Supporters of the other candidates are not going to switch to him. At this stage they will probably be split between Rubio and Cruz or maybe Bush if he stays in and it is beginning to look like he will.

And BTW, where do you get the idea Trumps words are not just empty promises?
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Did you really just compare a crazy socialist lunatic to one of the greatest Presidents in US history?! LOL!!!! wait....let me catch my breath...LOL!!!!
And I was replying to the irrational notion that FDR is the cornerstone of the modern GOP party. I don't see ANYTHING about FDR that screams Republican other than the "Me too" Republicans like Thomas Dewey.

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For the first article, I can kind of see that but I also see the Dixie-crats, Goldwaters and Wallaces molding the modern day Republican Party too, and actually they did more. See for most of the 1930's and into the 40's, conservationism was at the back of the bus being blamed for the mess that FDR created the New Deal to deal with. Instead the leaders were businessmen and Northern ("Me too") Republicans like Dewey who wanted to reform the New Deal (not repeal and replace like modern ones with ObamaCare.) At the time, southern states which at the time were Democrat were the states rights division and they weren't Republicans. It wasn't until Goldwater, we saw this fully flip (some did flip red for Eisenhower though.) By 1972, these states would mostly be red and only flip blue for southern, folkys Democrats like Carter and (Bill) Clinton.
About the second article, how does being against Tammany Hall (a corupt system) and being lambasted by Dems, make someone a "modern Republican"? That's a false dichotomy right there.

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Now I've seen it all. FDR, a man who succeeded in doing something that Republicans detest from the bottom of their hearts, which is using government as a tool to better the lives of middle-class and poor Americans...was actually a conservative icon!

I guess it's starting to dawn on right-wingers that GOP Presidents throughout history have been mostly garbage (and the few that weren't were big government progressives, like Lincoln and TR). They've been reduced to claiming liberal giants like FDR as their own.

Republicans even accused FDR of being a communist during WWII. Sound like a conservative to you?
Yeah, if anything a RINO. The fact is FDR is the beginning of the modern day liberal and in fact did it better than most we see today other than I think Sanders which is why I compared the two.
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Will Trump eventually get the nomination and or win in November? That is anyone's guess, but if you think the candidates dropping out is a win for him, think again? Supporters of the other candidates are not going to switch to him. At this stage they will probably be split between Rubio and Cruz or maybe Bush if he stays in and it is beginning to look like he will.

And BTW, where do you get the idea Trumps words are not just empty promises?

When only Trump is standing there is a very good chance that he will receive most of the support. Look at the point spread in the polls. Actually we do not have that long to wait and we will see who is right. There is no need to argue over it when the election will prove who is right.


As far as Trumps words empty promises; he would not be the first! Just about every politician we ever hired lied to us; so why worry about it? The only thing we can do as voters is to not make the same mistake twice. Look at how many voted again for the Bushes or Obama a second time; even when they did not fulfill their campaign promises. Some humans can learn from our mistakes and some cannot!
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:37 AM
 
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I found those statements absolutely disgusting. Cruz and Rubio are way to radical on social issues. They'll never win foaming at the mouth with hate. It's divisive, unpopular, and proves that they are unelectable. These are settled issues, it's insane to keep beating a dead horse.

Wow! Those are pretty strong feelings!
You think that the concept that your individual life started at conception is a "disgusting" statement? Huh... I'm pro choice myself, but I can understand how those in the pro life camp have this point of view.

As for marriage, didn't both President Obama and Hillary Clinton express the same opinion at one time? It may have been politically motivated, but certainly they never would have said it if they thought it was "disgusting" and "hateful" would they?

"Unpopular"... you've got that right... at least in some circles.
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Old 02-16-2016, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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And BTW, where do you get the idea Trumps words are not just empty promises?
What indicates that statements made by other candidates are not just empty promises? The two senators have no records to speak of and the two governors records can be looked at a multiple of ways depending on your view.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I agree with you.

The founders of this country, and framers of our Constitution, were Christians. The Left will never admit that. With faith in God and Jesus Christ, and with His help, they built this great country, and this nation was blessed. He was with us in battle, and we were victorious in that Great War. God was not shut out, but was welcome in our schools, and in our politics and public gatherings.

America has been in decline ever since the 1947 court case that determined the First Amendment meant that God had to be kicked out of public life, out of our schools, and could not be mentioned in political gatherings.

The Godless Left has destroyed the America that was once great, for your children and mine, and for our grand children.

This election is going to decide which way we will go from here. Restoration, or continue the path to our destruction, with a dictatorial government, a Constitution that is irrelevant in the eyes of our leaders, misinterpreted to conform to their twisted views ("living document"), but largely ignored altogether.

Scalia's death is suspicious. He was a kingpin; an "originalist." We learn now that the resort owner was an Obama award winner, and a mega donor. He claims to have found Scalia with a pillow over his head. Did Scalia place the pillow over his head after he died? How did the pillow get over his head? Suspicious. No autopsy? Suspicious. The person who declared him dead of "natural causes" and said there would be no autopsy ordered, a Democrat.

Recent court decisions went against the Obama administration. I suspect foul play. I suspect Obama may have ordered his death. With no autopsy, and the above facts, it's highly suspicious. If Scalia were a Democrat and had made decisions against a Republican President, you can bet there would have been demands for an autopsy and a full investigation.
I have no words to describe this post. Word for word, it might be the most ridiculous piece of garbage I've ever had the misfortune of reading.

Right-wingers = not well in the head.
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Old 02-16-2016, 04:32 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"Im only 41, but the WWII generation is the greatest in American history"
Certainly greater than their immediate progeny, and also far more Democratic in their voting habits.
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Old 02-16-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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Certainly greater than their immediate progeny, and also far more Democratic in their voting habits.
Riiiiight. Democrats in the WWII generation would be considered Republicans by todays standards, and quite conservative ones.

How FDR created today’s Republican Party - Salon.com
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Old 02-16-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"Riiiiight. Democrats in the WWII generation would be considered Republicans by todays standards, and quite conservative ones.

How FDR created today’s Republican Party - Salon.com"
They didn't vote that way — not even at the very end: 11-3-11 #17 | Pew Research Center

Basically, the Greatest Generation was the most Democratic up until the arrival of the Millennials.
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