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Old 02-17-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Enjoy Your Echo Chamber
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I am convinced at this point that the US election system is corrupt and beyond recovery short of a total reset.

IMHO - ALL elected officials should be replaced and NOBODY should be allowed more than one term in office.

There should be NO political parties - only independent candidates seeking to serve the country for the common good, not their extremist viewpoints or religious affiliations.

All offices should be elected directly by the voters.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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I heard a Clinton delegate say on CNN today that it doesn't matter if Bernie wins the popular vote in Nevada, only the delegate count matters and Clinton will win that either way. She sat there and told Dems in Nevada that their votes don't matter.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I Am Angry On Behalf Of Bernie Sanders Supporters.

If the election is just going to be a coronation of Hillary why go through all these caucuses? Shameful.
Your concern for all us Ds is duly noted.

You wouldn't vote for Sanders (or Clinton) in a million years, and we all know it.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:39 PM
 
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Sanders chose to run as a Democrat, well aware that this was the process and has been for several decades now. As a matter of fact, his senior advisor Tad Devine was one of the architects of the Democratic superdelegate process.

No fraud here, move along, we don't need "Chicks on the Right" or anyone else on the right trying to interfere with the Democratic primary process.


Indeed. The process has been the same for decades and I've never seen it questioned before. Hillary had a superdelegate lead in 2008 as well, and Obama overcame that. If Bernie is the right candidate, he will do the same. It's not undemocratic at all... Heck, in countries like the UK, you don't even vote for the prime minister, you vote for the local candidate who then elects the prime minister (and may then elect a new prime minister without even calling an election if that prime minister resigns before their term is up, which has happened twice in the UK since the 90s)
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Hahaha, can't wait for all the Millenials to realize all their phone banking, donations, facebook posting Instagram "Feel the Bern" crap won't amount to anything when these superdelegates toss the old man out on his ear.


Hard lessons will be learned this political season, that is for sure.


Hillary Rodham in 2020, book it.
Not all Millennials are Bernie Sanders supporters. Some of us also understand the system.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I heard a Clinton delegate say on CNN today that it doesn't matter if Bernie wins the popular vote in Nevada, only the delegate count matters and Clinton will win that either way. She sat there and told Dems in Nevada that their votes don't matter.
That isnt what she said, at least not to the point you are trying to make.

She was speaking in the same sense as those after Iowa, where Clinton won, but the delegate count was virtually a tie. The same will happen in Nevada as only a land slide win means you walk away with more delegates.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:55 PM
 
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I feel for the folks on the right as well. While they have fewer superdelegates, They do manage who ARE delegates...and guess what? unpledged RNC delegates are free to vote for ANY candidate, and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The last time the RNC got worried?

The unpledged RNC member delegates are free to vote for any candidate and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The majority of the unpledged delegates (those who are elected or chosen) are technically free to vote for any candidate. So in 2012 when the GOP was worried about Ron Paul? Well here in my state they played shenanigans with who was CHOSEN to vote as a delegate. And they did it in a way to assure that Romney got it.

So both parties do this sort of thing. The DNC has been pretty bad about it this time around. If Trump keeps doing well, it will be interesting to watch what the GOP pulls out.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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I feel for the folks on the right as well. While they have fewer superdelegates, They do manage who ARE delegates...and guess what? unpledged RNC delegates are free to vote for ANY candidate, and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The last time the RNC got worried?

The unpledged RNC member delegates are free to vote for any candidate and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The majority of the unpledged delegates (those who are elected or chosen) are technically free to vote for any candidate. So in 2012 when the GOP was worried about Ron Paul? Well here in my state they played shenanigans with who was CHOSEN to vote as a delegate. And they did it in a way to assure that Romney got it.

So both parties do this sort of thing. The DNC has been pretty bad about it this time around. If Trump keeps doing well, it will be interesting to watch what the GOP pulls out.
Let's not forget how the GOP pulled a fast one over Santorum for Romney in 2012 (extremely shameful in both cases) in both Iowa and Nevada and then ushered Romney through.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I heard a Clinton delegate say on CNN today that it doesn't matter if Bernie wins the popular vote in Nevada, only the delegate count matters and Clinton will win that either way. She sat there and told Dems in Nevada that their votes don't matter.
Well people are finally starting to realize that Presidents are "selected" not elected.

You get to choose between 2 people who were "selected" to be on that ballot.

And you are right..your vote does not matter.

It's all one big dog and pony show to keep the masses thinking they actually have a say in government.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The arrogance is breathtaking!
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