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Old 02-18-2016, 06:01 AM
 
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With one third of the delegates controlled by big money and special interest groups, your vote has no significance whatsoever.
I have found that people who bandy about terms like, "the establishment," "the powers that be," "the elites," "The Man!" are generally either clueless, political neophytes or just plain lazy because when you lump together 712 Democrats and try to claim that they are of a single mind… well as Will Rogers once put it:
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."
The only reason why Hillary gained the support of the majority of Super Delegates was for the same reason that she did in 2008, she was the first'est with the most'est. In both 2008 and now Hillary was the presumptive candidate and as such garnered the support of the majority of the party's leadership of course over the course of the primary campaign, that support began to shift just as it will likely shift in favor of whoever appears to be the Party's popular choice. Does that mean that if both candidates go into the convention neck and neck the Super Delegates may or may not reflect the popular vote, that is a possibility, but each Super Delegate is an elected representative of the Democratic Party and have a responsibility of voting in the interest of the party, that is why they have been placed in that position since 1972.
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Old 02-18-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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Superdelegates ~ the House of Lords of the neo-monarchist Democratic Party.

Millenials are landless peasants.
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Old 02-18-2016, 06:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I Am Angry On Behalf Of Bernie Sanders Supporters.

If the election is just going to be a coronation of Hillary why go through all these caucuses? Shameful.
Too fool all the low-info voters into thinking at least they tried.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Can the next Supreme Court take on the Electoral College? It seems so rigged. Like a computer game; the red and blue states...........does each vote count? I don't think so. why can't we vote for the office of President like we do everyone else, mayors, etc? So much fraud. IMO
Well, see, here in the US, we have this little Constitution thingy that requires an Electoral College thingy for determining who will be president...

But that actually has nothing to do with party primaries, which is what we are talking about here. In the general election, you can vote for whoever is on the ballot. Whether the election is partisan or non-partisan, there is a process by which people get themselves on the ballot, or do you think that the names appear there because the Easter bunny brings them?

You don't have to be a D or an R. In the 2012 presidential election, there were 14 candidates (by my count) - each of whom had to get on the ballot by following a process. Complete List of 2012 Presidential Candidates
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Superdelegates ~ the House of Lords of the neo-monarchist Democratic Party.

Millenials are landless peasants.
No, millennials are the future. So far - they like Ds better, so we must be doing *something* right.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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No, millennials are the future. So far - they like Ds better, so we must be doing *something* right.
Yeah, Ds are pandering to the stupid.

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"This exam, given in 23 countries, assessed the thinking abilities and workplace skills of adults. It focused on literacy, math and technological problem-solving. The goal was to figure out how prepared people are to work in a complex, modern society.

And U.S. millennials performed horribly.

...But surely America’s brightest were on top?

Nope. U.S. millennials with master’s degrees and doctorates did better than their peers in only three countries, Ireland, Poland and Spain.

...The ETS study noted that a decade ago the skill level of American adults was judged mediocre. “Now it is below even that.” So Millennials are falling even further behind."
US Millennials Post Abysmal Scores in Thinking Abilities, Math, Literacy, and Technological Problem-Solving
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...foreign-peers/
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Can the next Supreme Court take on the Electoral College? It seems so rigged. Like a computer game; the red and blue states...........does each vote count? I don't think so. why can't we vote for the office of President like we do everyone else, mayors, etc? So much fraud. IMO
Except for George W. Bush, name any President in our lifetime who has won without getting the popular vote?
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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This says it all:



They created it in the 60s, they can get rid of it.
The Superdelegate system was adopted in 1982.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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Can the next Supreme Court take on the Electoral College?
No. The Supreme Court can't "take on" anything. They can only render decisions as to the Constitutionality of laws after the laws have been challenged in court. Without a challenge, the Supreme Court has no authority whatsoever to stand up and declare something constitutional.

And even that's not going to happen in this case. The Electoral process is established by the Constitution (Article 2, Section 1; also the 12th amendment) so it's inherently Constitutional. The only thing that can change the process is a Constitutional amendment by Congress.

And all this makes me wonder.......Do they even require students to take a test on the Constitution in order to graduate anymore?
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hard lessons will be learned this political season, that is for sure.

Hillary Rodham in 2020, book it.
Some are learning it now, while others have known this for decades. About 17% of the delegates are "super delegates". It is up to the parties how they want to run the primaries, or not run them at all.
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