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Old 02-18-2016, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I know what you mean! When I see one after another endorsing Rubio or Bush; Lindsey Graham, Trey Gowdy, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott my heart drops each time, it's so disappointing. These are people who I thought had a strong voice within the Republican party, but they are complete shams.
It's very revealing to watch how these hacks quickly fall in line. They know how to follow orders if they want the easy money to keep coming.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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Yup, we have Sheldon Adelson for Rubio, Koch brothers/Cruz, Wall Street/Clinton/Bush/Kasich, all investing heavily to gain huge favors at the expense of working class and middle class Americans.

We are at a crossroads. If we dont rein in big money in politics now, it could very soon become literally impossible for anyone to run for office without begging the rich and the powerful for money. That's the definition of a plutocracy.

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plutocracy/plutarchy, is a form of oligarchy and defines a society ruled or controlled by the small minority of the wealthiest citizens. The first known use of the term was in 1652
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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If they were doing any and everything they would make two of the three establishment candidates drop out. That alone is a sign they control the election less than you seem to think.
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The Establishment has its own factions. My guess is that Murdoch would be happy with Rubio or Bush. They'll go after Cruz if they can get Trump out because Trump is a HUGE problem.
Not only the fact that there are factions inside the establishment, but it would be absurd to go 100% backing Bush and trying to eliminate the rest.

That is what they would LIKE to do, but they are also smart enough to realize that no matter what they've done so far Bush is a hack that won't gain traction.

So they HAVE to allow it to play out and SEE where and with whom they have the best chance at maintaining control.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yup, we have Sheldon Adelson for Rubio, Koch brothers/Cruz, Wall Street/Clinton/Bush/Kasich.

We are at a crossroads. If we dont rein in big money in politics now, it could very soon become literally impossible for anyone to run for office without begging the rich and the powerful for money. That's the definition of a plutocracy.
Agreed. We are at the crossroads. Those who are sick of this plutocracy have to use this election to express it. Now it's the time. Beenie and Trump would panic the Wall Street, D.C. Inc Oligarchy.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not only the fact that there are factions inside the establishment, but it would be absurd to go 100% backing Bush and trying to eliminate the rest.

That is what they would LIKE to do, but they are also smart enough to realize that no matter what they've done so far Bush is a hack that won't gain traction.

So they HAVE to allow it to play out and SEE where and with whom they have the best chance at maintaining control.
Agreed. It makes no difference between Bush or Rubio. Both follow orders. It's Trump and Bernie that scares the crap out of them.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Not only the fact that there are factions inside the establishment, but it would be absurd to go 100% backing Bush and trying to eliminate the rest.

That is what they would LIKE to do, but they are also smart enough to realize that no matter what they've done so far Bush is a hack that won't gain traction.

So they HAVE to allow it to play out and SEE where and with whom they have the best chance at maintaining control.
Good point. It also creates the illusion of choice. "hey, look how many different puppets you can choose from! Aint democracy great!"
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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Good point. It also creates the illusion of choice. "hey, look how many different puppets you can choose from! Aint democracy great!"
Correct. The Democratic party is further along corruption wise than the Republicans with the way they are handling the grass roots candidate, Bernie. I believe this is the last election cycle the Republican party will allow a populist candidate to steam roll their party and some changes will be put into place so someone like Trump will never have a chance again.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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We are fed up with the same old schtick.
Doesn't matter if they have an R or a D after their name, they get in office and NOTHING CHANGES. They promote small things to distract and act like they are doing something, but ultimately it is the same thing over and over.

I don't particularly care for Sanders nor Trump.

So don't waste your breath telling me how Trump is a buffoon or how Sanders is a socialist.

I DON'T CARE.

The establishment is against both of them and that makes me for both of them.

I don't think I am alone in my feelings.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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We are fed up with the same old schtick.
Doesn't matter if they have an R or a D after their name, they get in office and NOTHING CHANGES. They promote small things to distract and act like they are doing something, but ultimately it is the same thing over and over.

I don't particularly care for Sanders nor Trump.

So don't waste your breath telling me how Trump is a buffoon or how Sanders is a socialist.

I DON'T CARE.

The establishment is against both of them and that makes me for both of them.

I don't think I am alone in my feelings.
Pretty much where I am at. I'm tired of watching all of my savings be stolen by the Parasites of Wall Street/D.C., Inc. It is no different than the plutocracy that rules Russia.
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:35 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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We are fed up with the same old schtick.
Doesn't matter if they have an R or a D after their name, they get in office and NOTHING CHANGES. They promote small things to distract and act like they are doing something, but ultimately it is the same thing over and over.

I don't particularly care for Sanders nor Trump.

So don't waste your breath telling me how Trump is a buffoon or how Sanders is a socialist.

I DON'T CARE.

The establishment is against both of them and that makes me for both of them.

I don't think I am alone in my feelings.
Sigh.... I understand it. I do. Our country went through this in '76, it's how we got the candidate that ran as an outsider, Jimmy Carter, as a president.
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