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View Poll Results: Are you in favor of one of Trumps plans for Mexico to pay for the wall
YES 46 62.16%
NO 28 37.84%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-05-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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A percentage fee, though. Not a flat fee.
That works. Now to convince congress.

They who have been talking out of both sides of their mouths for years.

A fee plus prison time for people who hire illegals should shut it down, no wall needed.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Put those who pay them that 20 billion in jail and watch how quickly illegal immigration ends.

^^^^^^ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

All in Washington are disingenous. If the republicans were so against illegal immigration, which they should be I might add, they would require e-verify.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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When you tax imports, and those countries raise prices to pay for the taxes - people then buy American products.

Just like when Reagan started taxing incoming Japanese motorcycles in the 80's. Guess what? Harley Davidson made a killing.

Trump knows more about the world than the media pundits. We don't need the New York Times (a newspaper that can't even make a profit), telling Donald Trump what to do.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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The title of this thread makes it sound like Trump just released some sort of new plan. This silly plan has been on his website for some time now. And it's nonsensical.

Stop people from sending their money to Mexico? How? If he tried to make things like Western Union or wire transfers or whatever illegal, the congressional battles and court challenges would probably outlast a (God forbid) Trump presidency. And even if they didn't, Mexicans needing to send money back home to their families would find other ways, like sending cash in the mail or routing the money through another country.

Tariffs on Mexican imports? Anyone with any sense at all should know that would just increase the cost of the goods to the American consumer, effectively meaning American consumers would be paying for the wall, not Mexico.

Increase visa costs? To what, a million dollars each?

Trump is many things but he's not stupid. He knows these ideas wouldn't really work, he's just playing his supporters for fools.
With the corruption in Mexico sending cash through the mail is ridicules. Besides what you say is illegal is being done now by Western Union and others with wire transfers. To route money through another country to get around it would be illegal also.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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That works. Now to convince congress.

They who have been talking out of both sides of their mouths for years.

A fee plus prison time for people who hire illegals should shut it down, no wall needed.
Yep, it's actually as simple as that. No expensive, impractical, money-sucking wall necessary. Deal with the reason why the illegals come instead of focusing on how.

But for some reason, businesses are never forced to comply with the law.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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With the corruption in Mexico sending cash through the mail is ridicules. Besides what you say is illegal is being done now by Western Union and others with wire transfers. To route money through another country to get around it would be illegal also.
I didn't say anything was illegal now.

You may have a fair point about the corruption and the mail, but my overall point was that people will still find a way to get money to their families.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Mr. Trump has been simply licensing his name over a number of years now. I don't know when was the last time he did construction management. But in any event, building a 800-1,000 miles of remaining sections of the border fence is clearly a different animal than building a resort or a high-rise building.

Much of the fencing sites are in extremely remote places, and you would have to move materials, equipment, personnel, etc. Also, the terrain is nowhere close to flat; in fact, in many places, they are so mountainous or abutting Rio Grande that the fence cannot be built continuously (there will be huge gaps).

Furthermore, much of the border is on individual properties. So an easement is necessary, and in many cases, you have to start eminent domain proceedings. While you might think that the landowners would gladly cede their land to the government to build a fence, that's not how most of them think . . . . . they want to be paid, especially if their neighbors are getting paid. This will take a long time to settle.

I realize that his supporters impart superhuman qualities to Mr. Trump, but let's get real.

For the record, I am all for building a fence so long as it is effective . . . whether it is $8 billion or $24 billion, if it stops the illegal migration, it is worth it. Every sovereign nation has the right to regulate migration across its borders.

Mick
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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That works. Now to convince congress.

They who have been talking out of both sides of their mouths for years.

A fee plus prison time for people who hire illegals should shut it down, no wall needed.
It's not just the illegals, it's the drug trafficking that is killing American youth these days. Go watch some of the heroin stories ...
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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I didn't say anything was illegal now.

You may have a fair point about the corruption and the mail, but my overall point was that people will still find a way to get money to their families.
You are right. My apologies. I misquoted you on that.

The fact is wire transfers have regulations now and they can and do stop you from sending money. At one time I was doing business internationally and what many people think is easy to do is not so easy in reality. I had to prove who I was and where the money came from and was limited on how much and how often I could send.

There is a risk when you send money. Doing it in a legal manor is the safest way. All other ways increase the risk and are full of pit falls. Someone could set up carrier pigeons to transfer two hundred dollars at a time if the wanted too. They might go undetected for a while but eventually it's doomed to failure and someone is going to lose all their money.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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When you tax imports, and those countries raise prices to pay for the taxes - people then buy American products.

Just like when Reagan started taxing incoming Japanese motorcycles in the 80's. Guess what? Harley Davidson made a killing.

Trump knows more about the world than the media pundits. We don't need the New York Times (a newspaper that can't even make a profit), telling Donald Trump what to do.
This isn't the 80s. Most of the products made in Mexico are likely not made in the US any more, and the cost to start making them here and pay US-wages to the employees who make them will raise prices for consumers. It sucks but that's the way it is. And it still won't pay for the wall.
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