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Old 02-19-2016, 06:12 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You said: Many folks were so stirred up by Bushs nationalism and in support of a war in Iraq regardless of facts. Look how many Dems voted for it.


Now: "congressional leaders backing a possible use of force to rid Iraq of suspected weapons of mass destruction and possibly oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein."

That's certainly not the same thing as voting in support of an all out invasion/occupation and mandating it be fought.
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:27 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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When people get frustrated, desperate and feeling hopeless, you'll find that they grasp at straws.

Trump is very strong on creating jobs, has a viable plan and doing so will benefit himself and the citizens of the US. I think most can let something go that he said almost 15 years ago when asked a question out of the blue. Who cares, well, other than the anti-Trumps who would better spend their time supporting their losing candidates.
Saying Trump will bring jobs back from Mexico and China is NOT a viable plan for creating jobs, it's a slogan. If he was serious about that, there is nothing stopping him from manufacturing his own products here right now. Other products proudly wear the 'made in the USA' label.

He'll say anything and everything if he thinks it will get him media attention .i.e. he's a media wh*re. If his fan base is looking for a shallow, low-life, cut-throat person they've picked well. It would be funny if it were a TV special but this is real life, with real repercussions to pay if we elevate this classless man to the leader of the Free World.

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Old 02-19-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Saying Trump will bring jobs back from Mexico and China is NOT a viable plan for creating jobs, it's a slogan. If he was serious about that, there is nothing stopping him from manufacturing his own produces here right now. Other products proudly wear the 'made in the USA' label.

He outright lies about what he's supported in the past and he's lying about what supports now. He'll say anything and everything if he thinks it will get him media attention .i.e. he's a media wh*re. If his fan base is looking for a shallow, low-life, cut-throat person they've picked well. It would be funny if it were a TV special but this is real life, with real repercussions to pay if we elevate this classless man to the leader of the Free World.

And you would rather support candidates that knowingly will ship more jobs out of our Country or support allowing far more immigrants into our Country than are needed for the jobs currently available?


I would rather try something new instead of going down the same path we have traveled for the last few decades.
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:40 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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And if you or me were asked the same question in the beginning of 2002; we would have answered the same thing. That was all of the information we had to go on. The CIA and the Bush administration was running around claiming the sky was falling to get support for their next war. Bush's ratting were in the pits and he felt he had to do something and that is what got us in the mess that has plagued us since 2003.

Many of us suspected that the information was false because of the timing and the sinking Presidential polls. But many also thought that we could still trust our government. For Trump to answer a question that 'he thought so' is not enough information to hold against him considering the timeline.
Uhm, you and I are not currently saying "I was strongly against the war and I was the one saying not to do it." Look, with the luxury of hindsight, just like with the Vietnam War, everyone realizes we made many mistakes in how it was all handled. Most people now wish we had just sent Saddam to his room for his misdeeds instead of tossing him out of the house. I imagine George Bush thinks that on a continual basis, he does a lot of stuff, much of it unpublicized, for veterans and I think he wears the look of a guilt ridden man who knows he bares much of the responsibility at those events. My husband went over there for both waves, eventually he ended up getting injured as a result of one of many deployments associated with post 9-11 attempts at containment. As a family we paid part of the price of those decisions. We don't blame Bush that led it, we don't blame the CIA or other intellegence agencies that to this day are fuzzy on the details, we don't blame Congress that authorized it. We just wish it didn't happen. It was a mistake. But, so were many events in history. We have no idea what would have occurred had there been a different Commander-in-Chief, we don't have an alternate universe to try other senarios on for comparison. I don't mind Trump saying we shouldn't have gone. I mind very much him now acting like he was the all knowing sage, that if they had just listened to him at the time, it wouldn't have happened.
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Old 02-19-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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So was many Democrats,

stupid thread..
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:04 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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And you would rather support candidates that knowingly will ship more jobs out of our Country or support allowing far more immigrants into our Country than are needed for the jobs currently available?


I would rather try something new instead of going down the same path we have traveled for the last few decades.
Why are you giving Trump a free pass for his shipping jobs out of the country?
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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Let's face it, Trump will say anything at any time if he feels it will serve his own interests. He is an opportunist with no core principles whatsoever.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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You said: Many folks were so stirred up by Bushs nationalism and in support of a war in Iraq regardless of facts. Look how many Dems voted for it.


Now: "congressional leaders backing a possible use of force to rid Iraq of suspected weapons of mass destruction and possibly oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein."

That's certainly not the same thing as voting in support of an all out invasion/occupation and mandating it be fought.
My god you're as bad as the pathetic creeps who vote do such things and hide behind weasel words.
Dems and republicans both gave Bush a mandate to invade Iraq.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The man comes out 5 days into the war and says he is against the war and he doesn't get credit for it and yet there are presidential candidates who to this day think it was a great idea. In fact, they still say removing Saddam was a good thing. I give Trump 5 day grace period.
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Old 02-19-2016, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Why are you giving Trump a free pass for his shipping jobs out of the country?
How do you outsource digging foundations and pouring cement?
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